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[Muhammad]

Re: KUBOTA SMOKES?

Jim,

Hey if Jeff hadn't brought it up I don't think anybody here would have remembered Farminlady's cloud making machine... but one case doesn't mean a whole lot to me. We've heard the Kubota examples as well ---just don't remember them! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

As for MarkC, I think to him, everything is less (and more) with syn-I-mean-mighty Amsoil in his L4310!

 

[MChalkley]

I spent all day yesterday and today (and again tomorrow) clearing a lot of scrub from a job site - pulling as many trees as possible up by the roots with a chain, using the backhoe for the rest, lots of loader work and 4-in-1 use. Every time I use this tractor, I'm impressed all over again by the benefits of HST.

Mark

 

[_RaT_]

HST baby, right on! Mark, having HST has got to make a tractor more "Bobcat like" in terms of moving material and moving it quickly. Rat...

 

[Bird]

I didn't spend nearly as much time on mine today as you did (2.3 hours) mowing the yard, but I wouldn't even want to think about trying to manuever around a house, shop, barn, 4 power poles, vegetable garden, grape arbor, blackberry patch and 24 trees without HST./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bird

 

[W5FL]

Bird,

Maybe that's why I am doing so well. Can't get close to the power pole (1) because I have a ditch to fill in after the electricity to the well is moved from one meter to the other.

Can't get close to the barn because all the parts that flew off the house in the tornado are piled next to it - I guess waiting on me to burn them. The house is fenced so can't get up to it, either.

Can't get close to the wellhouse because there are so many rocks that were left over from the utility ditch - as well as the propane tank.

I usually manage to mow some of the blackberries and grapes down each time I get too close and don't see them. Also try not to get too close to the fruit trees as they mow down pretty easily too.

For now, I just put it in 4th or 5th gear and drive almost steady for several hours.

Guess when I get all of these things cleaned up, I will need an HST too. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[JimBinMI]

I never considered a gear model since I was replacing an HST garden tractor. I really like the toe/heel better than the old lever I had on the Allis Chalmers (made by Simplicity with a shade of Orange on it!) /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

JimBinMI

We boys and our toys!

 

[MChalkley]

There was a guy on site today with a 30 hp Kioti. After watching me a while (my tractor pulls much harder than his, so he parked his and helped me with the choker chain when we were pulling the 4" and smaller ones), he said he would never buy anything but HST in the future. He said the dealer he bought the Kioti from told him HSTs are too fragile and don't have any power. He doesn't think that any more.

Mark

 

[W5FL]

JimBinMI

I kinda think the HST transmission is neat. However, Kubota does not make it in the M Series. I really don't know why that decision was made and am not sure whether anyone else makes one in these Utility tractors (40HP to 100 HP). For most uses of utility tractors, I really don't see any overriding reason for an HST. It is also not available in the L35 which is a little puzzling unless there is a reliability consideration as hard as those tractors are used. Most Utility tractors that I am familiar with go forward a good deal of their life and switch direction some what infrequently. The fully synchronized transmissions are a real improvement, but it does very little good to be able to switch directions quickly if you are pulling a bailer, seeder, sprigger, fertilizer spreader, disk, etc.

I certainly can see how Mark would make less money in the landscape and construction business without a hydro./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Some utility tractors are bought in 2WD versions by the city or county strictly to mow or to pull a grader or just because they need something with traction and load pulling capabilities. They would probably prefer hydro transmissions but cannot get them.

Maybe someone knows why most manufacturers do not make the hydrostatic transmissions in the mid size utility tractors.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Hey I thought 4th and 5th were the HST gears on my L35! Slow to a crawl and little throttle pressure to go fast...

I don't know if this applies to the bigger units but I notice on the HST BX2200 I have you still have to keep fooling with the throttle lever if you want any power out of the thing. I hate hearing a constant rpm run engine. Great on generators, but I don't want to hear it. On the BX if I try to run it a lower rpm for relaxing sanity it is gutless, or I can goof with the rpm lever and put up with it at higher rpms for the tough work. Mowing, it's great, but in my world I'm still happy with the GST.

I also looked at green and blue. I have a 17 year old Blue that has been a faithful beast to say the least!

At it's time it out loadered out hydraulic flowed and out 3pt lifted green and orange so it was the best for me.

This time...where's the L35 competitor and BX 2200 competitor in the Green and Blue? Would surely have liked a choice. 4600 Deere a great unit but dimensionally too big. The New NH's (some) have a pivoting front axle (Is that "Supersteer") might make them as nimble as the L35. Just couldn't get all the specs closer in another unit. I often wonder about this brand thing. Not to be critical to anyone, but ANY of these companies Green, Blue, Orange, Ford Chevy, Chrysler (oops Mercedes) Toyota, Hyundai etc can build good machines or bad ones and deny a warranty claim just as fast as anyone else. The fact that someone had a bad experience 10 years ago doesn't mean there not going to have another bad experience with someone else. I think you just "pays your monies and takes your chances"

My only fear with NH is that the smaller tractors are not their livelihood in the USA. More small tractors support Green's bottom line and Kubota could never let the small tractors go unsupported.

I also remember NH's squabbling with Ford. One year it's OK to have the Ford logo, next year only the word Ford in Block letters, next year no Ford name at all. What a bunch of chicken%%@#%. Now they're owned by Case, Now they're owned by Fiat, Now they're owned by Scooboobia Tractor Company in Jumgoomba, Africa, I would have really hesitated to put $$$ out to them. But again, my Ford (NH) 1710 rather my Shibaura 1710 was fantastic. Why doesn't Shibaura just sell the tractors here in a multi-store selling Mitsubishi, Yanmar, Honda, Shibaura. I'll take an 50hp 48" wheelbase garden tractor please...

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[Bird]

Wen, speaking of city and county buying 2WD for mowing, the state has contractors to mow the farm to market road rights-of-way, and the one in this area has had a fleet of open cab, 2WD John Deeres (I don't remember the models), but he's been mowing our area this past week, and he's gone to a fleet of 5 John Deere 7210s, air-conditioned, and 4WD. Said the crew spent so much time pulling each other out when they got stuck that he figured it would be cheaper to buy 4WD tractors.

Bird