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itsmecindi

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Listen folks. I'm up on a soapbox, but I think it's important that I share this. Much like someone would spread the word of God or the news of an epidemic.

I think that bullying is what leads to the columbines in this country.

When you isolate a kid and pick, pick, pick, he is going to seek out other kids like him and there is going to be retaliation. Especially when the innocent bystanders laugh and do nothing, and the school does nothing. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's a very real possibility that there will be some major violence if the source, or the bullies, are not brought to justice.

When I first heard about columbine my immediate reaction was it was a 'getting even' event. I still believe it and always will. There's no excuse for doing something like that, but there are reasons.

Kids get picked on all the time, that's nothing new. But if one kid or two kids or four kids get picked on EVERY DAY, there is bound to be a snapping point. I wonder what the statistics are for kids that were bullies in school growing up and being 'inexplicably' murdered one day. Case closed, no motive found. Maybe the motive was years old.

All kids need to be taught that bullying is not funny, even if it's not happening to them but someone else. They may not be getting picked on, but they may be a victim of the retaliation if and when it comes just by being in the vicinity.

I made my kids sit down last night and watch the Showtime movie..'Bang Bang Your Dead'.

One of the things said in this movie was...

"It's not what's in a kid's backpack that makes him dangerous....it's what's in his heart."

Being an advocate of gun ownership, I like to think that I can stand behind my words when I say it's not guns who kill people, it's people who kill people. Once that's established you have to search for the why.

After watching this movie, some little details started to come out from the kids. Jake tells me that there are boys in his school who smear feces on the walls in the bathroom. Then they wait outside as a group for someone to go in and then they push them into it, face first if possible.

Just for a moment try to imagine the emotions you would go through if that happened to you. Then they go out in the hallway and make sure everyone knows about it. There's never any soap in those bathrooms, there's never any paper towels, and in most cases, the boys urinate in the sinks.

Could you imagine how much rage it would inspire to walk around with someone else's excrement on you? How do you get over that? Jake's solution is to not use the school bathrooms. He hasn't admitted to me that it happened to him, but I wonder. He had to learn about it somehow, right?

The schools are turning into ....God....what is there to compare them to? I'm not even sure prison would be as bad. At least in prison you are locked into a cell for a good part of the time and watched by guards, hence protected in a twisted way. Prison might even be a step up.

Until all kids can learn to report any time they see someone being bullied, things will not improve. Telling is a BIG taboo. That's what needs to change. Somehow. Kids used to have some concept of what bullying entailed. Getting pants'd or shoved, or even punched. But it's gone way beyond that now to lengths that are almost unmentionable. And it seems to be mostly between boys. But the girls are just as guilty for laughing at someone who is being bullied. That pretty much encourages it to continue. Girls are just as malicious as boys. They just bully by laughing instead of hitting.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Any time a society of citizens is bullied and beaten down, they will eventually rise up using whatever means necessary to seek justice. Schools are small societies, our kids are the citizens.

I'm sorry to go on like this, but I think I am beginning to get some idea of why Jake is always so angry.

If you have middle school or high school kids I highly recommend you watch this movie with them and encourage them to report any signs of bullying they see. Even if it's done anonymously. I am going to make a form on my computer. An anonymous complaint form, for kids to fill out if they are being bullied or someone they know is. I am going to ask the school to run them off and leave them all over the school along with drop boxes at convenient locations. I will offer to collect them all and read them all and make reports. It's the only thing I can think to do. Any other suggestions?
 
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Cindi, unfortunately, I think you're exactly right about what happens, but as for the solution . . . I don't know. In my experience, the bullies are usually the school jocks, the sports stars (primarily football), big men on campus, etc. and the school administrators are NOT going to do anything to hurt the school's sports and they are NOT going to take the word of someone who's being bullied over the word of one or more of the school sports stars. So a kid being bullied is usually only going to make it worse by reporting it to the school administration.

Oops, guess I better get off the soapbox because I know I'm in the minority on this topic, but personally I'm convinced that organized sports, especially football, is the worst thing that has ever happened to public education in this country.
 
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Cindi, I would say without a doubt that Jake probably has been bullied. To what extent, he would have to divulge. As a teacher in a public school, I see first hand every day junior high kids are excrutiatingly cruel to each other, but of course there are exceptions. I also see first hand that the ones most likely to bully others are the ones that have less than optimum home lives and parental involvement, and again there are exceptions to this also. Snitching is also TABOO. But what can be done is school staff involvement. During class breaks, we visit ALL areas of the building. The kids know that myself or another teacher might appear at any time, anywhere. Tends to limit there oppurtunity to misbehave. Can the situation be fixed? Sure, for the most part. But do the adults that would have to make the effort to supervise the children want DO WHAT IT TAKES to fix it? Chet
 
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Bird, of course I cannot speak to what your experiences have been, but at the school where I teach, bullying is not tolerated no matter what. Our principal will suspend equally regardless of the impact on any extracirricular activity. The kids are students first and athletes/musicians/etc. second.
 
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<font color="blueclass=small">( Our principal will suspend equally regardless of the impact on any extracirricular activity. The kids are students first and athletes/musicians/etc. second )</font>

If that's the case, that's great, but I would say that would be extremely rare. And yes, at least some of the bullying is prevented if a teacher actually sees it, but like you said, for one or more students to report any infraction that wasn't witnessed by an adult from the beginning will usually only make things worse for the kid.
 
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If my situation is rare, that is a sad thing, indeed...I do agree with you on the organized sports being a detriment to the purpose of a public school, which is to educate, but I would imagine we are both in the minority on that topic! Chet
 
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Yep, Chet, I have to be careful or I'll say too much on the topic, but since I have the greatest admiration and respect for good school teachers, and think they are generally underpaid, it infuriates me when the highest paid teacher in the school is the football coach. And then school boards say they can't afford to pay teachers better to keep good ones, but when it comes to building a football stadium there's always plenty of money, no matter how high they have to raise taxes. So, yes, I'd say we're definitely in the minority.

And, yes, I have a 14 year old grandson who is on the junior high football team. The junior high school he attends has a nicer stadium than any school I ever went to, but they haven't played a game in it this year; they play in the high school football stadium and it's a stadium the Dallas Cowboys would have envied 30 years ago, with its press box, air-conditioned private boxes, lighted score board, sound system, astro turf, comfortable seating, concessions (not booths, built in), etc.
 
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Well I think the soluton is to make it easy to report things. Make it as painless as possible, and also anonymous.....

Example..

I saw Johnny Miller trip Don Johnson in the hall yesterday.

Signed X

That sounds so paltry, but when you get ten notes like that in one week then it's pretty clear that Johnny Miller needs to be checked out thoroughly. No backlash, nobody has to show up or sign their name to anything. When Johnny Miller discovers that he's been turned in by ten different people he's going to have to stop and wonder who all these people are that don't appreciate his actions. Let him take the heat as he should.
 
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Cindi,
But then again.........what if it's the bully's filling out the forms on some innocent, timid 15yr old that they are trying to intimidate??
Gotta look at the other side too.
 
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I'm afraid Inspector507 is right; sounds like a good theory, but won't work in reality. You could almost bet on the bullies filling them out on innocent students.
 

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