Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #441  
It is amazing how few miles that have been put on the PU and other cars since Oct 15 after I got the Leaf home. I just like it even if it pumped out as much pollution. Bypassing minute lubes and gas stations is a plus for this old man time.

So, you are spending extra money with this Leaf...... other vehicles sit idle, brakes seize up, mice chew more......

;) JK, it does seem a great fit for your local needs.

Got a point about "fuelling" up at home.... it has an appeal for some of us. IF there was choice in the market AND I was still doing the work miles I used to, I'd probably have a NG vehicle and a home fueling station by now.....

Rgds, D.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #442  
Are you proposing state-owned (and taxpayer subsidized) factories, etc? So how'd that work out in the USSR and other communist countries?
No thanks.
The state can own the shares in power companies etc, then the people can influence how this is run and the profit returns to the benefit of all. And I can tell you at the state is one of the hardest capitalist there is...
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #445  
Technical Norway has state dept, not any big sum.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #446  
I heard the Chinese are stealing all the engineering and are going to manufacture knock off versions of Tesla models...they are going to be called 'Edisons'
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #447  
Fuel Economy will answer your question as to how much electricity is consumed per mile.

Nissan LEAF (62kWh battery) consumes 31 kWh/100 miles.
2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus consumes 24 kWh/100 miles.

At $0.10/kWh the LEAF costs $0.031/mile, Model 3 costs $0.023/mile. I disagree with the EPA's dumbing down of an MPGe based on kWh of gasoline. I say "efficiency" doesn't matter, only cost matters. The Almighty Dollar is the only accurate measure of resource consumption which also includes availability and scarcity. So at $3.00/gallon for gasoline the LEAF gets 96 MPG$ and Model 3 gets 125 MPG$. Or at $2.00/gallon it is 64 and 83 MPG$ respectively.

EPA ratings are measured at the power grid and include all charging and storage losses. Unlike gasoline MPG ratings the EV consumption ratings are pretty accurate.

The typical 240V 40A circuit for 32A to charge a LEAF delivers 7kW for about 22 miles of range added per hour of slow charging at home. So what? Plug in every night and it is full by morning.

For the same price a Tesla Wall Connector on a 60A circuit will deliver 48A and 11.5kW for nearly 50 miles per hour of charging. On a Tesla Supercharger it can easily hit 500 miles per hour of charging as most are capable of 120kW rates and the newer V3 Superchargers have 250kW per vehicle. This isn't empty promise but actual fact available at 727 sites in the USA and 125 more under construction.

As for the cost of the vehicle, "deals are to be had." Nissan subsidizes the cost of leases in regressive states such as California so as to get credits allowing them to sell ICE vehicles. The off-lease market is flooded so 2 year old cars can be had in the $10-15k range.

An off-lease LEAF is a pretty good value proposition. But it is nothing near as nice as a Tesla Model 3.

Nissan LEAF can not use Tesla Superchargers. For distance travel one must rely on lesser networks including Electrify America which is rightly ridiculed for being built with VW diesel fines. Yet charges $0.21/minute for 75kW or less. LEAF is limited to 50kW so net cost is about $0.25/kWh.

$0.25/kWh and $2.50/gallon is about 32 MPG$ in a LEAF using Electrify America. Not a good value proposition for daily use but about par with gasoline for longer trips. Its just that one has to stop for about 45 minutes every 125 miles.





Average rate in the US is 13.3 cents/kWh, not 10.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #448  
Are the Chinese going to Electrocute Elephants with a TESLA to Demonstrate how safe the Edisons are?
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #449  
I heard the Chinese are stealing all the engineering and are going to manufacture knock off versions of Tesla models...they are going to be called 'Edisons'
I wonder how many readers recognize how apt that comparison is? :)

(Thomas Edison was widely accused of taking out patents on stuff Nikola Tesla invented).
 
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I think China is already the leading EV maker in the world. Giga Factory 3 didn't happen overnight without a push from the top I expect. Musk not being from the USA may have been a plus.
 
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