Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[radios1]

Have you seen the price of fuel in the UK?

Where do you live to be paying $0.30 per kilowatt hour?

look here. 3 states allow kWh pricing, but non-Tesla EV drivers mostly miss benefits - Electrek I pay $.18 per KWH for my house though.. even that is crazy expensive!..

 

[Grumpycat]

The Nissan Leaf was sold below cost, so they would sell. To allow Nissan access to the ICE vehicle market in the US .

Not the US market, only CARB states where "clean vehicle credits" are required to offset ICE sales.

Tesla is said to only be in the black by selling these credits to other manufacturers such as Honda and FCA.

 

[Grumpycat]

The cool kids are vaping dirty coal :silly:

Bad old dirty coal powering a Tesla is emission equivalent to a 30 MPG gasoline automobile.

 

[airbiscuit]

The good news is that dirty coal plants are closing, one after another. The handwriting is on the wall. RIP dirty coal .:tombstone:

 

[4570Man]

Bad old dirty coal powering a Tesla is emission equivalent to a 30 MPG gasoline automobile.

And the point is? 30 mpg and better is easily doable without the environmental concerns of a battery which is apparently zero emissions and the delays of charging it.

 

[Grumpycat]

Buying Tesla stock is tempting. The question is whether it really can grow profitability fast enough to justify today's insane price.

I own a Model S and sold my TSLA last year for $318. Today TSLA hit $968.99. For Tesla to be "worth" double Ford and GM combined is insane. Tesla can not make enough vehicles anytime in the next 10 years and sell at high enough of a price to pay a 1% dividend on that market valuation.

 

[Grumpycat]

Innovation does not over come the tech limits of Lithium Ion cost, energy density , weight, short range and slow charge rate . EV's are up the slope and past the knee onto the plateau of the technical plain.

Yeah, I heard that when my Dodge 318 produced 150 HP. "Never going to get any better. Everything has already been invented."

News Flash: Tesla isn't working very hard at increasing battery capacity or density as they have enough already. The research is focusing on reducing cost and increasing durability.

 

[Grumpycat]

given the cost of electricity, EV vehicles cannot be cost effective if charged by the metered electric mains.. compare the price per KWH per mile vs. liquid fuels, no comparison..

My power hog Model S costs less than 3.5¢/mile running off electricity I purchase from the local utility.

Gasoline hit $2.149 the other day. 2.149/0.035 = 61.4 MPG$-equivalent.

 

[Grumpycat]

And the point is? 30 mpg and better is easily doable without the environmental concerns of a battery which is apparently zero emissions and the delays of charging it.

Do you own or drive a vehicle which gets 30 MPG or better? If not then where is your moral basis for criticizing those who are doing better than you?

Tesla Model 3 does 50% better than my power hog Model S.

Furthermore only 27% of electricity on the USA power grid came from coal in 2018. Unlike your diesel or gasoline vehicles an EV effortlessly moves from electricity generated by any means. Gasoline and diesel are very precise formulations which engines barely tolerate dilution with ethanol or biodiesel.

If electricity is dirty for an EV, then why is it acceptable to power your computer, TV, and air conditioning?

 

[4570Man]

I didn’t claim electric was dirty. It’s definitely not zero emissions though. Your electric car that’s claimed that is far from it too. Even if the electric was 100 percent solar generated it’s still not zero emissions. An electric car by your claim equal to 30 mpg or a Volkswagen that gets 45 mpg who’s really saving the environment? And no I don’t own a vehicle that gets 30 mpg. That wasn’t the goal when I selected my vehicles. My lightest one still has 8 lugs.