Best Mountain Tractor?

   / Best Mountain Tractor? #21  
83% huh? I'll bet that if you throw in the limbs, rocks, and groundhog holes, flatlanders, like myself will have an extremely increased pucker power and come up with over 100%. I have been here 15yrs and a tractor on these hills still scares the *@%% out of me./w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
Bill
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #22  
That calculation looks right to me. Having done it a few times, I have no continuing desire to ride a sliding machine down a hill hoping that I get to the gentler slope before it trips.
When I look at a 45 degree hill I don't think tractor, I think about some type of stout climbing rope and a tree to tie it to, to hold me just long enough to look at the scenery.
 
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#23  
I'm wondering if maybe one of those sky hooks might help. Actually, I'm way over taking the risks that amped me up when I was younger. The area that we will clear for pasture, orchard and such does't exceed 30. That's still mighty steep in my book, so I'm trying to pay attention to whatever will make the ride safer...wider wheels, weight, low center of gravity. The more I think on it, I must admit I like those outrider wheels on the rig you suggested Charlie...just can't climb the price hill as easily as some of you guys can.
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #24  
Don't know a lot about figuring the %/degree ratio but when I see a hwy sign warning truckers of a 7% or more grade, there is usually a runaway truck ramp not far ahead. If I trip and fall out of my yard, I hope that someone is around to call 911./w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Bill
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #25  
<font color=blue>Charlie</font color=blue>
But the PowerTrac could handle the 45deg, right? Well maybe, but not with me on it. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
It has been fun guys. Now that I have slap the hornets nest and gotten things stired up,/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif I'm outta here. Today is my Monday so it's back to work/w3tcompact/icons/sad.gif at 2pmE. Will check back in around 1am to see where this has gotten. Have a goodun. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif/w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif/w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

Bill
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #27  
So a 100% grade = 1 foot up for every 1 foot forward

So a 100% grade = a 45 degree hill



Is a 45° grade a 100% grade? what if the slope is > 45°?

I'm asking here...I just figured a perpendicular (90°) was 100%. I've no idea if that is correct though.

The 1:1 ratio Mossroad suggests could well be the correct methodology. If we have any engineers who deal with highway construction, we could probably get the correct answer. Our friends at R&B Manufacturing can probably help us out here...

BTW, I'm a Quality Assurance guy....the math I deal with is mostly trig and statistics. That's the method I used.
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #28  
TC25D with 4wd engaged has had no stabilty problems yet on some relatively steep pitches. The terrain I work on are X/C ski trails with minimal side hill grades. One short stretch I approach only from the uphill side. Traction was a problem (ag tires) part of the way up. Didn't want to spin any ruts or flip over.
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #29  
% grade is Vertical for 100 ft of horizontal distance. Example: 1% grade is a 1 ft. rize in 100 ft. horizontal distance.

Egon
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #30  
Doug:
As you've seen, we Power Trac types have a considerable amount of brand loyalty. It probably comes from the fact that there are so few of us on the board compared to Kubota, John Deere or New Holland owners. (As far as I know, there's only one active Earth Force owner, but he outnumbers all of us.)
As I noted before, I first got on to Power Trac by searching the net for slope mowers. They are certainly not the only choice.
For hill work, on any machine, the characteristics to look for first are low angle from the CG to the effective tire patch, all wheel drive, and good tires. You also probably need a bit more power than is required to perform the same functions on the flat.
Most compact utility tractors are deliberately designed to be fairly narrow, since getting between obstacles is a more common problem than slopes. CUTs are also fairly high, for ground obstacle clearance. You might consider posing questions to some of the innovators on the board about maximizing a compact tractor for mountain use. For instance if you get a 4wd JD 950, what will happen if you put smaller wheels all around, keeping the same front to back circumference ratio as stock? Then, can you put on duals, to widen the track, lower the cg with liquid fill only to the axle line, add weights low on the frame, etc.? What mods really help, and what will interfere with certain implement use, etc.?
Despite the Power Trac specs, I don't recommend that anyone work on really steep slopes. I haven't measured mine, but they're probably about 20%, which is enough so our conventional 2wd tractors have occasionally gotten away from us, but fortunately not rolled on anyone. As ByuBill has pointed out, even if the grade is theoretically workable, throw in some holes, some leaves, some water, some rocks, some fallen branches and some trees, and you won't be doing much safe tractoring. As long as your main limiter is the pucker factor, you can assemble a good rig for those workable parts of your property for well under new Power Trac prices. (You can also spend more, adding implements, etc., even if you start with a less expensive tractor.)
The next time you go to your place in the mountains, you might want to stop by a couple of dealers in the area, and ask them what machines and what modifications have been successful in the mountains. You can be sure there are already conventional tractors, some old 2wd Worthingtons, some John Deeres, Farmalls, Fords, etc. operating in areas that old men like me won't go near.
 

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