Big announcement from GM !!!!!!

[Builder]

I thought the early dodge diesel was in a mini pick-up, not a full size 1/2 tonner.

International also built a Scout "Terra" SUV with a Nissan 4cyl diesel back in the late 70's.

 

[workinallthetime]

Workinallthetime:
I did not mean to slight the techs in any way. I see it as a management issue. I would NOT want to keep up w/ all the tech bulletins on every car GM made; I can barely keep up w/ what I need to keep my vehicles running.
But... for the longest time my local dealer did NOT have a diesel mechanic. and the owner (I guess it was his decision) would not get one trained. So nothing against the techs. It seemed to be a "corporate culture" thing. I grew up working on diesels (OTR trucks, farm equip) so yeah, I think they are (or at least were) simpler. I don't blame the techs, I blame the dealers for with holding the training and the company for not having it together on the parts/warranty end.

i didnt mean to go off on a rant, i had just read another post where a guy was telling everyone that the d-max was junk and was mad as heck that a tech had replaced all 8 injectors, 8 fuel lines, and his high pressure pump. The tech made money, the customer got an above average repair, and the life of the fuel pump just started over. The pumps last anywhere from 120 to 250k miles which is pretty good considering its making 23,000 psi with fuel as the lube. Everyone gets bad service from time to time its just a shame that 1 or 2 bad dealers run customers off for life.
On another note i would like everyone to take something into consideration the next time they buy any new car or truck, buy it from a local dealer not one of these giant nation wide places. I say this from personal and professional experiences.
#1 at the end of the sale you are probably paying more for the same thing
#2 service will cost you more
#3 your a number not a person
#4 the sales staff is usually new and untrained
#5 your not supporting your local economy
#6 when you finace with them they are going to find the best deal for them not you.

I was a tech for 12 years and there are huge differences in working for a corperate dealer and the local guy at every level. I worked for a local then went to a corp, the corp payed me way more than the local but the customers service was horrible. in 6 years of working for them i bought 5 new cars or trucks from another dealer because i got a better deal.

im ranting again sorry guys

 

[Mike5252]

That is great news, but the article states the engine will be available in trucks mfg AFTER 2009. I guess that means the 2010 model year?

That's going to be a long wait......

 

[dgl24087]

I remember those, a neighbor who worked for the DOT had one. 243 cid 6cyl. in a full size truck. Not much power, but cheap to operate. They were offered in the 1978 model year. Very few were built, it's hard to find any info on these trucks. Ok, corrected this with most accurate info i can find. The D50 had a 2.3L 4 cyl. diesel for a few years, but the fullsize trucks did offer a 6 cyl., low powered, poor seller.

Further research shows the 6 cyl. diesel to have had a whopping 100 HP. Here's one on eBay. eBay Motors: Dodge : Other Pickups (item 300122239007 end time Jun-24-07 11:31:06 PDT)

 

[Builder]

WOW! Great research! I guess the mitsu diesel did come in a full size 1/2 ton!

 

[dgl24087]

I picked up the August 07 issue of Diesel World Magazine this afternoon, it contains info on future diesels. The Cadillac CTS is slated for a 2.9L V6 diesel in 2009, 250 HP/406 lb-ft torque rating. Ford's new small diesel is rumored to be 4.4L (also read 4.5L), and is slated for the F150 and Expedition. Cummins, for the Dodge drivers, is slated to introduce a 4.2L V6 with 270 HP/420 lb-ft torque for the Dakota and Durango, possibly the Ram 1500 as well. Also coming will be a 5.7L V8 diesel with 325 HP/ 500 lb-ft torque. These new Cummins offerings likely will be offered in the Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge family of SUV's. Toyota is rumored to have a HD pickup powered by a Hino diesel engine by 2010, but this magazine sees that as being unlikely to be produced. Subaru has also developed a flat 4 diesel for the European market. Nissan is also rumored to have looked at HD diesel pickups, but have no current product plans in place to produce the truck, not feeling they can compete in the HD market.

 

[JESSE1]

I ordered an '82 GMC 2500 with the 6.2 diesel in August '81 and received it in October '81. First 6.2 the dealership had sold at the time. Within 3 months it had blown 2 headgaskets. Traded it in for a 3500 Dually w/6.2 in March '82. It blew 2 headgaskets and cracked a head before it was 2 years old. I believe it had 130 horsepower and about 250 lb/ft of torque. These engines did pretty good with the 4.10 rear axle and the 3 sp 400 auto trans. Got very good mileage. Found out later that the early engine's heads were not machined flat and allowed the headgasket to blow out.
I also bought a new '83 GMC Jimmy with the 6.2 diesel and 4 sp auto overdrive trans. No problem with the engine but the trans blew up at 51,000 miles. Got extremely good mileage for a 4x4, usually over 20 mpg.

 

[mjncad]

GM has been in the diesel engine business for a long time. I never understood why they didn't put a Detroit Diesel in their pickups a long time ago. If you build it they will come.

Detroit Diesel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought GM gave up their Detroit Diesel business to Chrysler some time ago. The last time I checked the DD web site, I didn't see a "Double Breasted Yamaha" anywhere in sight.

 

[Joe1]

If I remember correctly, way back around 1960 or 1961, you could order a 4 cylinder diesel in a 1/2 ton GM pickup. The option was very short lived. I believe that a 4 cyl diesel (possibly a Perkins) was an option for a short time in the Internation Harverster Scout. Neither option was popular and they were off the market in a very short time.

I would like to see the new diesels on the market for a while before I jumped into them based on past records of engine problems with both GM and the 6.0 option in the Ford. Chrysler was smart using the rock reliable Cummins (and later Mercedes in some Jeep and Van models) rather than drop a ton of cash developing their own engines.

 

[tlbuser]

a guy was telling everyone that the d-max was junk and was mad as heck that a tech had replaced all 8 injectors, 8 fuel lines, and his high pressure pump.

maybe sometimes the customer shouldn't be allowed to own what they have! If it was all covered under warranty, why was he even making an issue of it, cause he had to wait a day for them to finish ??