Big announcement from GM !!!!!!

[Toiyabe]

My Ford 7.3 IDI diesel weighs about 1/2 a ton. Does that count?

 

[Z-Michigan]

Lucky. My Cummins ISB is pushing 5/8 of a ton.

 

[schmism]

cool
they should sell tons
It's the only way to fly.

so youd buy a 1/2 truck at 3/4 ton price to do the work a 3/4+ ton truck should be doing in the first place.....

As nissan about breaking D44 rear ends in there titan....

it may SOUND cool to put a diesel in it... but you just end up over working the breaks, frame everything else important.... On top of the fact you pay an inflated price for it....

Ill pass....

oh and got to do something to get the attention away from that new "jap" truck....

 

[8561]

Maybe its that some of us would prefer to have the extra horsepower and torque in our daily driver, along with the fuel economy and durability. We'd like to be able to pull our campers, snowmobiles, tractors, etc more effectively on those occassions we do that. We'd like a pickup that rides like a half ton and can do 3/4 ton type work several days a year rather than live with 3/4 ton ride all year when we don't want that. We'd like a truck with a little lower ride height that correspondingly handles and drives better, and fits in the garage easier.

If I worked my truck every day, I would already own a Max and Allie. I don't, therefore I don't own one, and I'll be looking hard at the 1/2 ton diesel when it arrives.

By the way - I take it you've seen the advance pricing on this truck, please post it for the rest of us.

 

[Toiyabe]

Why not get a car for 95% of the time when you need a car and a used 1 ton gasser for the 5% of the time you need a truck? It'll be cheaper, and you'll have the right tool for each job.

Unless you put a lot of miles on the truck, the diesel's fuel savings won't pay back its initial cost. And there's no point in putting those miles on a truck when a car will do the job.

 

[workinallthetime]

Why not get a car for 95% of the time when you need a car and a used 1 ton gasser for the 5% of the time you need a truck? It'll be cheaper, and you'll have the right tool for each job.

Unless you put a lot of miles on the truck, the diesel's fuel savings won't pay back its initial cost. And there's no point in putting those miles on a truck when a car will do the job.

a car and a truck for the price of a 1 ton? insurence on both plus repairs, doesnt sound to me like a good idea. Why not have a 1/2 ton that can do the ocasional heavy towing that got 15-22 mpg? My 07 6.0 is supose to get 15 to 19 which is prety good for a truck. A deacent new car is gonna run you 35k and a striped down 1 ton would run you 35k new, so thats 70k at least in ride payments. You could go used but even a couple year old 1 ton is still going to cost 25-30k. i guess you could go with older cars but then you get into reliabilty issues. I am looking into a 1 ton in addition to my 1/2 ton v-max next year, but thats for a dump bed and to pull greater loads for the business.

there is of corse no information on this new engine yet but i would bet we are going to see milage from conservative drivers around 25-30 mpg. when the 01 came out i had alot of customers tell me they were getting 22 mpg out of 3/4 ton units and 1 ton units. In the race for more power those figures droped to from 15-18 mpg. When i time 6.5 injection pumps on old 94/95 trucks i ask the customer if they want power or mpg, i could change the timeing a little one way or the other and help them out. All this, whos diesle has the most power hits us in the mpg area but saying a truck has 300 hp and gets 22 mpg doesnt sell trucks i guess.

oh and for the record a 2007 3/4 ton prices out 500 Less than my 07 1/2 ton duno why but the argument about 1/2 ton at 3/4 ton pricing is not valid. If you add an option of a diesel engine thats where things get expensive, but you cant ask a mfg to offer you a 6000.00 upgrade for free. right now there is 4000 off the "clasic" 07 with a d-max.

 

[Joe1]

How about the new small Diesel in a 3/4 ton truck? It has the same HP and more torque than the 6.0 gas engine, will perform adequately to carry a camper or tow reasonable loads up to 8,000 lbs and will provide better fuel economy than the gas engine and will out last the gas engine?

 

[Toiyabe]

a car and a truck for the price of a 1 ton? insurence on both plus repairs, doesnt sound to me like a good idea. Why not have a 1/2 ton that can do the ocasional heavy towing that got 15-22 mpg? My 07 6.0 is supose to get 15 to 19 which is prety good for a truck. A deacent new car is gonna run you 35k and a striped down 1 ton would run you 35k new, so thats 70k at least in ride payments. You could go used but even a couple year old 1 ton is still going to cost 25-30k. i guess you could go with older cars but then you get into reliabilty issues.

$35K will get you a new BMW, if that's your definition of decent. $25K will get you a 5 year old diesel 4x4 1 ton, at least in my neck of the woods.

How about a brand new Toyota Camry LE, MSRP ~ $20K, and a 2001 F350 dually V10 on sale near me for $11K. Think you are going to find anything that's anywhere near as comfy to drive as that car and pulls anything like that truck for $31K or even $41K?

Insurance will be a little more (two rigs instead of one) but not twice as much. The added insurance cost will be more than offset by the gas savings. Repair costs will be much less, as your putting most of your miles on the Toyota Camry. And when you decide to get a new car, your truck should still be going strong because you haven't put many miles on it.

 

[Highbeam]

Why not just drive a car? Safety, comfort, and only having one vehicle that is capable of daily driving and working.

I wouldn't put my life into the "hands" of a car and get squished liek a can of sardines in a wreck. Ask a fireman about which type of vehicle people are more likely to survive a wreck in. I did and it was a strong push in favor of a full sized truck chassis pickup or SUV. My wife and kids drive around in a full sized SUV despite the price.

Today's 3/4 ton diesels are very capable, overly capable IMO. If I could buy a somewhat less capable diesel truck and get correspondingly higher mpg then I would be happy. Who really needs 600+ ft-lbs of torque? Fun, yes, but necessary? I don't think so and would be willing to give back some torque for some mpg. Heck, just put the smaller engine in the same truck, big manly diesel option #1 or smaller diesel option number 2. And no I don't want the same diesel derated to lower HP levels like they do in OTR trucks.

On edit: Dangit-joe1 beat me to it. Cummins already makes a 4 cylinder turbo diesel that should bolt right up.

 

[Builder]

so youd buy a 1/2 truck at 3/4 ton price to do the work a 3/4+ ton truck should be doing in the first place.....

As nissan about breaking D44 rear ends in there titan....

it may SOUND cool to put a diesel in it... but you just end up over working the breaks, frame everything else important.... On top of the fact you pay an inflated price for it....

Ill pass....

oh and got to do something to get the attention away from that new "jap" truck....

Who said it was gonna sell for an inflated price? The thing ain't even out on the freakin market yet.....it might sell for a very reasonable price.

Why would it be "overworked"? Only a moron who can't read the owners manual will overwork it. A 1/2 ton truck with a 310HP diesel in it is not limited by power under the hood, but more by capacity of the frame/axles/brakes, etc. Follow the guidelines for a 1/2 ton and everything's cool. If you need more than a 1/2 ton, then buy a 3/4 or 1 ton. I agree a select few will try to tow 14K with them, and they need to bred out of our population, but I think a diesel 1/2 ton has a place in the US.