Block heater

[Massey convert]

Hi everybody, newbie here.
I'm facing my first winter in Wisconsin with a new Massey Ferguson 2605 H, it has a Simpson SJV 326 engine, it's my first diesel, and I am concerned about COLD temperature starting, does anyone know what specific heater is recommended and where it needs to be installed? I'm reluctant to have the dealer do it, for a few reasons, including the price. I have been using and maintaining an Allis Chalmers WD for about 40 years, so I think I should be able to tackle this installation. Maybe I'm concerned about nothing, but even if it will start without one, a block heater will make cold weather starts easier on the engine, battery, and starter.
Thanks for any help you can lend me.

 

[mikester]

If you leave your machine outdoors make up and engine and rad cover. My preference is using a lower rad hose heater. Support your local tractor dealership. Get a timer for your setup.

 

[oosik]

I've found that a lower radiator hose heater is an easier install and does a good job. However - I've never used either type heater around here. Thirty eight plus years and everything starts up just fine and nothing broken nor worn out. My tractor is stored in an unheated car port. I used the lower radiator hose heater when we lived in AK.

Remember - if you don't make the install correctly with either type, you can loose vital engine fluids. I agree with mikester - support your local tractor dealership.

Why is it .... folks buy a nice, new tractor and then they want to squeeze the pennies.

 

[RalphVa]

We had a lower rad heater on our 1972 220D Benz. Worked great on a -22 F morning in Vermont.

Had a freeze block heater on our 1983 240D Benz that we had for 25 years. Didn't use it much unless the wife wanted instant heat when pulling out of the garage.

Have had no heaters on the 3 diesel tractors that I've owned and do not have any on the Isuzu diesel generator nor on the VW TDI for nearly 7 years.

They start with about the same load on the starter after the proper glow plug time: about 1/2 turn of the crankshaft (yes, even that 220D @ -22F).

However, the Yanmar JDs and the old Benzes were "lumpy" on starting (with 1/2 throttle) with blue smoke. The VW TDI and Isuzu essentially started/start and sound like a gasoline engine. I do not know how your Massey will be.

Forgot. Need only run block heaters about 20-30 minutes before you start them. Otherwise, you're subjecting your coolant to the very high temperature of the heated electric element too long and wasting energy.

Ralph

 

[LouNY]

I've had better service out of block heaters then the lower radiator heaters.
That said either is better then none.
Many of the common rail engine will start in cold weather without heat,
but they all start smoother and easier with heat when it gets cold.

 

[Massey convert]

I guess I should give them a chance on a quote. I have always "squeezed pennies' and plan to continue to do so, I change the oil on everything I own, and do almost ALL the maintainance. I do regret not buying a new tractor sooner, I've owned, used, abused, repaired, and overhauled, a 1950 Allis Chalmers WD for about 40 years, so I'm in the habit of doing things for myself, by myself, with advice where I can get it. Thanks for yours.

 

[RickB]

You could also ask the dealer's advise. You don't have to pay them for an install, they probably know more about what works on your tractor in your climate than a bunch of people living in other places with different tractors in their sheds.

Many dealers provide excellent guidance.

 

[Egon]

Placing a tarp over the tractor engine and using an air heater with a fan will also work.

 

[lilranch2001]

We had a lower rad heater on our 1972 220D Benz. Worked great on a -22 F morning in Vermont.

Had a freeze block heater on our 1983 240D Benz that we had for 25 years. Didn't use it much unless the wife wanted instant heat when pulling out of the garage.

Have had no heaters on the 3 diesel tractors that I've owned and do not have any on the Isuzu diesel generator nor on the VW TDI for nearly 7 years.

They start with about the same load on the starter after the proper glow plug time: about 1/2 turn of the crankshaft (yes, even that 220D @ -22F).

However, the Yanmar JDs and the old Benzes were "lumpy" on starting (with 1/2 throttle) with blue smoke. The VW TDI and Isuzu essentially started/start and sound like a gasoline engine. I do not know how your Massey will be.

Ralph

This is the most humorous post I have read in a while, like there is much comparison between Virginia and Wisconsin?

:laughing:

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I would prefer a block heater to a radiator hose heater.

Personal preference.

 

[PILOON]

Don't even consider magnetic heaters, they heat the air!

Used 2 on my CUT and 24 hrs was not enough.

Frost plug or hose style are effective as newer style screw in.

 

[Deere Dude]

Let the dealer put in a block heater if you choose a block heater. On this forum there have been a few horror storied of DIYs with these.

I had an unheated or uninsulated pole shed for my diesels and on days colder that 20 F I had to plug them in. They may start but was very rough.

 

[ruffdog]

Lower hose heater in the Massy? It depends if there is room. Many modern small tractors are quite tight when it comes to "room to work". A quality block heater costs a bit and you don't want to goof up the install. Another person drilled through the freeze plug and kept going through a cylinder liner....now you are spending some ca$h. Talk to the dealer. Every diesel sale up here should include the discussion from the sales dept to include a block heater.

 

[fried1765]

I guess I should give them a chance on a quote. I have always "squeezed pennies' and plan to continue to do so, I change the oil on everything I own, and do almost ALL the maintainance. I do regret not buying a new tractor sooner, I've owned, used, abused, repaired, and overhauled, a 1950 Allis Chalmers WD for about 40 years, so I'm in the habit of doing things for myself, by myself, with advice where I can get it. Thanks for yours.

Yup....you are making complete sense!

 

[ruffdog]

Hmm? PN#773323M92 Does this model use a threaded-in type block heater? That would be better than the freeze plug type. Look here:

773323M92 Engine Block Heater Agco Parts Massey Ferguson Tractor | eBay

 

[fried1765]

This is the most humorous post I have read in a while, like there is much comparison between Virginia and Wisconsin?

:laughing:

"humorous post"???
I live in Florida.
I did not post here, but.......
I lived in Minnesota for 24 years (1967-1991).
I have not forgotten what works best in the cold!

 

[LouNY]

I thing to be aware of when using a block heater on many of the newer engines that use temperature sensors to control the time for glow plugs or intake manifold heaters is that often they will shorten the heater time so much that an engine can fire and then quit from the cold air.

Enjoy your new tractor close to the same power and weight,
a whole bunch newer and fancier.

 

[Smokeydog]

I learned on my vw diesel pickup that the lower radiator hose slope toward engine or radiator matters. If slope up toward to radiator then that’s where most the heat goes with that type of heater and is not a good choice.
Installing a freeze plug heater took over a day and bloody knuckles to remove the old freeze plug. Worked much better.
Agree dealer information is cheap but very valuable.

 

[Massey convert]

Wow!
Thanks for all the feedback. I did find the same heater part number on Amozon, that ruff dog provided in the link to ebay. I think I know where it is intended to go, but the plug I think I need to remove is in an extended boss, just not positive ifit is in the correct position. The dealer's advice does seem to make alot of sense, I'll call them to see if they can/are willing to help. Even though it may be higher priced, I will get the OEM part.
I really like the way this thing is built, "RUGGED" is the best word I can think of.

 

[mrmikey]

I've got a lower hose heater on my Iseki and it works great. Tractor stays in an unheated lean to on the back of the garage with a tarp door so it's not wind tight for sure. Put it on a wirelss remote so I can turn it on from the house without having to beat thru the snow to plug it in and a pilot light I can see from the house so I know it's on. And a battery tender as well, batteries 4+ years old and still going strong.............Mike