Can someone explain how the a box blade works and what it is used for? I'm new to tractors and need to know weather to get a rear blade or box blade. I will be smoothing out a MX track that has ruts in some areas. What are the advantages of both? Thanks for the help to a newbie.....
Box Blade Question
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scesnick
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I would go with the box blade for sure. I live up a 2.5 mile dirt road and I always use mine to leval out/smooth out the road. Not to mention if you have some hardpack you can lower the scarifiers and dig that up as well and then smooth it out. . A simple rear blade will not be able to do that.
I would have to say a box blade will do everything a rear blade can do and then alot of things that the rear blade can not do.
I would have to say a box blade will do everything a rear blade can do and then alot of things that the rear blade can not do.
knute_m
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Although both a rear blade and a box blade can be used for leveling ground, there is a big difference in how they do it.
They both excel at certain tasks, but can be awful for other tasks. For instance, a rear blade does a reasonable job with snow -- mostly backward, but for snows up to 6 or 8 inches, it is usable in the forward position. A box blade isn't good for more than just a few inches of snow.
A rear blade just pulls dirt. On most tractors, it can be angled and positioned a lot differently than a box blade. Much of the dirt that is accumulated in front of the blade slips past one end or the other of the blade. Certainly some dirt slips under the low spots of the blade.
A box blade is just that. It is a box with grader blades. One grader blade faces forward. It scrapes. The other blade faces backward. It is used for smoothing or filling if you are pushing backward. Very little dirt escapes from either side, so a lot more is available for filling pot holes and ruts.
It also has "scarafiers" in front of the front blade. These are real nasty heavy duty teeth that can be set to dig into the ground in front of the scraper blade to loosen the earth. These teeth can be adjusted to dig deep, or to never touch the ground. You can move and level a lot of ground with a box blade.
On most tractors, there is no down pressure on the 3-point hitch. Down pressure is determined by the weight of the implement. This isn't exact, but a rear blade usually weighs about half what the same width box blade weighs.
I do most of my driveway grooming with a rear blade. But, come spring time after pushing a lot of snow (and gravel) off the road, or after very heavy rains, the box blade gets put to work pulling the gravel back to the road, filling in the ruts, and cleaning out the ditches.
For your use, it sure sounds like a box blade would do a lot more for you than a rear blade.
They both excel at certain tasks, but can be awful for other tasks. For instance, a rear blade does a reasonable job with snow -- mostly backward, but for snows up to 6 or 8 inches, it is usable in the forward position. A box blade isn't good for more than just a few inches of snow.
A rear blade just pulls dirt. On most tractors, it can be angled and positioned a lot differently than a box blade. Much of the dirt that is accumulated in front of the blade slips past one end or the other of the blade. Certainly some dirt slips under the low spots of the blade.
A box blade is just that. It is a box with grader blades. One grader blade faces forward. It scrapes. The other blade faces backward. It is used for smoothing or filling if you are pushing backward. Very little dirt escapes from either side, so a lot more is available for filling pot holes and ruts.
It also has "scarafiers" in front of the front blade. These are real nasty heavy duty teeth that can be set to dig into the ground in front of the scraper blade to loosen the earth. These teeth can be adjusted to dig deep, or to never touch the ground. You can move and level a lot of ground with a box blade.
On most tractors, there is no down pressure on the 3-point hitch. Down pressure is determined by the weight of the implement. This isn't exact, but a rear blade usually weighs about half what the same width box blade weighs.
I do most of my driveway grooming with a rear blade. But, come spring time after pushing a lot of snow (and gravel) off the road, or after very heavy rains, the box blade gets put to work pulling the gravel back to the road, filling in the ruts, and cleaning out the ditches.
For your use, it sure sounds like a box blade would do a lot more for you than a rear blade.
BattalionChief
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Being a former MX rider, and understanding the use of a box blade, I would agree that you want to use a box blade..
You want to make the track a little "soft" and the box blade will do that.. you would drop the scarifiers and then drag the box blade around... This would create a smooth, flat surface that is soft and some what "cushioned."
Box blade for sure.. (for your purpose)
You want to make the track a little "soft" and the box blade will do that.. you would drop the scarifiers and then drag the box blade around... This would create a smooth, flat surface that is soft and some what "cushioned."
Box blade for sure.. (for your purpose)
Slamfire
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The implement should be sized to fit the tractor, both in horsepower required to pull it, and the width of the rear tires.
DavidPerry
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Whatever you choose, get one with the capture pin style of attaching to the lower arms. Ground engaging equipment that uses pins like you find on a rotary cutter don't last long before bending.
Jarrett
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L3130 said:
I would go with a 72". That's what I'm looking to get for my 3130. That price seems high unless it a heavy duty. The one I want is a Woods GB72 and I think it runs around $700-$750. It is just a standard duty, but I had the 60" version and I found it to built quite strong. It has the captured pins like a previous poster mentioned.
BattalionChief
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I would also go with the 72" box blade.. As Jarrett said, the price you quoted seems REAL high.. I have seen good 6ft blades here in Central Texas from $350 up.. Tractor Supply has one for $416. Also, if you will be using it on the MX track, you shouldn't need a super duty blade as you will be grooming dirt that has been "loosened" before and doesn't contain rocks, tree roots, etc.. The track will be "easy" work for your box blade.
FamilyFarm
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That is probably the Land Pride model that weighs in at 600+ lbs. If you are looking for one to pull rocks and/or use often as ballast for loader, that's probably a good weight. It will cost you that much (or close anyway) as will a Woods of similar build and weight. I have a Woods 72" that weighs close to 600lbs and was about $900. You can get cheaper ones and they may be all you need. Both Land Pride and Woods sell lesser models also.
JamesT
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I bought a Midwest 30 series 72" BB from Tarheel tractor for $540 + $200 shipping. Real heavy duty 606lbs, 1/2" steel. Look for their ad on Ebay.
RobJ
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I'm also a former MX'er and our track guy use a disc and a BB. It would get a little water, then the disc. The track dirt is sort of a loam with a tad more clay in it. The next day in the sun it would dry out and be somewhat hard. The disc would soften it up down to about 8-9 inches or more. Then he would use the BB to build back up the jumps. Then the disc again before the race. He wouldn't touch it after that, what happened happened. It was wet again as this was a night race so it wouldn't dry out as fast. The stuff would sort of stick to you and the bike if you got some roost. But it would pack up into berms very nice. But it was softer than if you fell than the day track with the hard gumbo on it.
ktm250rider
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I plan on doing the same thing with a BB, if I ever get my lawn done. The nice thing is, I can justify the purchase of the BB with my wife since its for the yard and then use it for my track when that gets built.
Where is the track in NH, public or private?
Where is the track in NH, public or private?
RobJ
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L3130 said:
Check one of my other posts, I bought a KK copy (I think KK) at my local COOP for $340 out the door. Very heavy and it's a 5 footer. 5 scrapers.
Found the link...
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78519
JamesT
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Check with www.tarheeltractor.com I bought a 30 series 72" Midwest BB which is 600lbs for $540 + shipping. Real heavy duty 1/2" steel.
