Thanks for all the post folks lots of good info. I have bought many pieces of equipment over the years everything from tractor trailers to dozers. I've also owned name brand and X brand, in all honesty both served fine. Of course I have never bought blind that is why I question what is going on. I believe buying X brand may be a gamble but sometimes that gamble could save thousands while helping a new machine hit the market. If a reputable new machine hits the market it does help the cost of all machines to stay affordable{resonable}. It also forces companies to keep on their toes, after all if name brand_____ has a monopoly then why would they bother upgrading their machine? I also have to wonder if X is making machines for name brand _____ then what does that really say about the name brand _____?