Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh!

   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh!
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#301  
Hey y'all, I've had a couple of people ask me about the cattle, so I thought I'd mention here what happened to them in case others were curious. Pretty much stuff happens, and to me it's like stuff on steroids happens. I had a buddy tell me one time the he never believed in luck until he met me, and he still doesn't believe in good luck, but now he believes in back luck. (I might have mentioned that in this thread already, sorry if so...) Anyway, a series of unfortunate events led to the death of I think the final count was 15 or so of my cattle.

2007 was a pretty bad drought year here in KY. I had the heard at my partner's farm on 30 acres. Way too many cattle for that small of a farm. Throw the drought on top of that, with thin grass and makes for a pretty thin herd of Texas Longhorns, which are known for being lean already. I had planned to move them to my 170 acres sometime in Aug of that year but had a hard time getting my partner motivated to actually get it done, so it was October before we moved them. Heading into the colder months the herd was very lean. They started dying on December 25, 2007 and the vet was dumbfounded. He could not figure out what was killing them. After a handfull had passed we had one taken to the UK Animal Diagnostic center. They tested positive for coccidia (sp?) but not at a level that should have been high enough to cause death. They died of adema ultimately, and my vet explained that when the wether turns cold cattle use up their fat reserves to stay warm. My cattle basically had no fat reserves, so the vet said that their bodies would start to attack the muscle mass and when that happens it introduces fluid in the blood that gets deposited in the lungs. The wether was very wet that fall/winter, and would get warm then freeze over and over again. He said that was perfect for the coccidia to grow in the wet ground where we were feeding hay. The cattle would lay on the hay to stay dry/warm and then turn around and eat that hay. The coccidia feed off of the protein in the blood, which caused their bodies to attack the muscle mass even more aggressively speeding up the adema process. The answer was pretty simple, some medicine to kill the coccidia and protein tubs to keep their bodies from robbing the muscle of protein. As soon as I did that, we never lost another one. Guess that 100% grass fed deal has some draw backs when you get in a situation like this. The vet said that if any of those situations had been different, the drought, the wet fall, the varrying winter temp, the leanness of the breed... etc. that I probably would not have lost the cattle. I'll file that on in the memory banks for when I get back to being a rancher.
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh!
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Hey, I do have a question for those who stumble across this thread... last fall I cut down about a dozen trees in the yard at the farm because I wanted to regrade the yard with my box blade and couldn't do it with the trees as they were. I planned to come back and get the stumps out, but then my life turned upside down and it may be a while before I can get to that. My question: Is it a bad idea to cut the stumps down low? There are stumps all over the yard now, which I'd left to help me as I started trying to get the roots out, but they look stupid since I haven't been able to get back to that project. I was thinking about cutting them down even with the ground so that it wouldn't look so stupid in the interim, but is that going to make it really hard to get the stumps out later? It doesn't look like that back hoe is in my future any time soon now, so when I get to it I'll be using a mattox and whatever I can with my existing equipment (FEL/BB - to rip the roots up that are on the surface... etc.). Not the best tools for the job, but I'm inspired by 3RRL's automatic remote control chicken coop deal. :cool: Surely I can figure out a clever way to get these stumps out. I'll get a picture next time I'm at the farm so that you all can all laugh at the state of the yard. It seemed like such a great idea when I was standing in the yard with a new Stihl chainsaw! :D Oh, and another question, since cutting down the trees, the roots have now sent up about 2,000 shoots all over the yard. Does anyone have any idea how to kill the stump and prevent all the new shoots? When I cut down the trees I drilled holes in the stump and saturated them with Roundup thinking I'd read that somewhere, but it might as well have been miracle grow.
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh! #303  
Don't know what trees you have (or how it would work anyway), but my eucalyptus stumps are killed with Roundup, however it has to be sprayed on the freshly cut (like within 10 minutes of cut time) cambium (outer most living) layer, and sometimes takes two or three treatments.

I have a neighbor who is going the "hand dig" route on some of his stumps (he's a harder worker than I am - and younger). I've tried to use my little TC-30 with a FEL to dig out my trees, but you end up with an enourmous hole and difficulties if other trees are too close.

I just found an affordable 30+ yr old tractor & backhoe that I'll be eventually using on my stumps. I've tried it on a couple of stumps (4-5' diameter) and found that I'm really sorry that they were cut nearly to ground level.

I've heard that if you have the time, rotting of a dead stump can be hastened by adding a high nitrogen fertilizer to the holes you drilled into the stump and covering it with a layer of soil.
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh! #304  
Stumps are always a pain to get out. With them being taller, you have some leverage to help get them out just a bit easier. It's still a pain, but not nearly as bad as it will be if you cut them down short. Since you are not living there and they are not hurting anything, I'd leave them tall and be thankful for it when you get the time to take them out.

Eddie
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh! #305  
if time is not an immediate factor...there are some compounds available a home stores that can be used to "rot" stumps...bore some holes and add the compound (following the instructions)...

...an old tried and true way to rot "some" stumps is to bore some holes and fill most of the way up with soured buttermilk...then seal the holes with wax...in about a year you can just kick what is left into the dirt...(does not work on pines/ firs etc)...
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh! #306  
I vote with eddie, if your not there looking at em every day leave them be
every foot you leave up on a stump makes them a lot easier to get out
3 ft of stump is a lot of leverage
and 5 ft is a lot more
we used to take old shelter belt rows out by digging a little with the hoe
then lift the loader and shove the whole tree over if they were cut then there could be a lot of digging involved instead of a little scraping
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh!
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Well, after reading the suggestions here, I decided to take the advice of the wise souls who offered it up. That does make sense to leave the stumps for later on.

So tonight I went over to mow the lawn for my granny who is living on the farm now. Last week I bent one of the blades really badly because I hit a root by one of the stumps. I guess that made granny a little upset because when I drove up tonight, there were piles of mulch all over the yard. Granny paid someone to come out with a stump grinder and go to town on all those stumps and roots sticking up! So I guess that kind of took care of itself. That is until I decide to re-grade the yard and still have to deal with the rest of the tree that was left just under the surface. That will be a fun day!
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh! #308  
Stumps are always a lot of fun. I got a call from my neighbor, who had rented a backhoe for the weekend, only to remember that he had a meeting with a couple of customers on Saturday and another full day Sunday. He called me and asked if I could come over Saturday and pull the stumps from in front of his new barn while the hoe was there. I wandered over Friday and it only took a few minutes to get them out. Took longer to haul enough dirt to fill the holes then it did to make the holes. Still fun though,
David from jax
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh! #309  
Granny paid someone to come out with a stump grinder and go to town on all those stumps and roots sticking up!



That's 'real' leverage on a stump, the green type. Glad to see you back.
 
   / Breaking in my new toys... from Yeehaw! to Uh oh! #310  
Tim- Consider a new friend found, and praying for your life's stability to return in earnest! I don't know how I stumbled across this thread, but have spent the last three nights reading it end to end. At first I said " This guy should write a book, Patrick McMannus style" (You guys know who I mean?) Humor abound! Then I got to the 'dark-side'! With my son ranching (Charolais) in VA, abeit, without the maritial strife, guess it sort of struck home. Guess they say, "It's alway darkest, before the dawn" Hope 'Daybreaks' in your immediate future! Seems like you've built quite a fan-base here! Best Regards! ~Scotty
 

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