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EDDIE: ok when it's done how much of a discount are we TBNers gonna get? ;0
anyhow those dirrectional boring machines are made about 3 miles form where I'm setting right now. AMERICAN AUGER ( it did have a different name at first but it was sold & changed names. there is usually a bunch of new & refurb units setting out there. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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anyhow those dirrectional boring machines are made about 3 miles form where I'm setting right now. AMERICAN AUGER ( it did have a different name at first but it was sold & changed names. there is usually a bunch of new & refurb units setting out there. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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There's been a lot of work going on in my neighborhood for quite awhile now with some of those boring machines; work that's being done for Verizon. And I still don't understand how they can control the direction with them. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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Aren't those boring machines awesome?! I had one out to my house to run an electric conduit from my barn to the dock on my lake, then from my dock to my island in the lake. In the 400' run from my barn to the lake, they hit a large "obsticle" that caused a huge bend in the line. However, they were able to turn back and continue the line without doing it over. It is amazing how they can make the turns and still come up right next to a post on the walkway to my dock. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I found that when they made the run from my dock to the island what the max bend of their drill is. Being that the bits and lengths are so expensive, they don't like to lose them. Being that they were going under water (10' of water where they went), they didn't want to lose a bit. It would not have been possible to dig it out. Anyway, 15 percent bend is nominal, and 20 percent bend is max on what they had at my house. It is still amazing. They stayed 3' under the bottom of my lake and still came up within the 12" diameter circle painted in the grass on the island! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I thought that was awfully good since they couldn't trace the movement with their little detecting machine when the bit was that far under. The operator had to go by simple experience.
The company that did mine is owned by a good friend of mine. They have a boring machine that takes two semi trailers to haul it to the job site. They have a 48" bit for it and can pull 48" pipe. The bit (only the bit) for the rig was tens of thousands of dollars, and had a serial number of "1". /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif He told me that they won't do a job where they don't have the option of going after that bit if it gets stuck. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I asked him if the entire rig cost over a hundred grand, and he laughed at me and told me that I didn't have a clue. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I guess I won't be buying one of those for the ole shop. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Oh yeah, this guy is the same one who talked me into running a 3" water line back to my house from the 12" main out on the road. He knew I didn't want to be short on water back at my house, which is about 1000 feet away. Uh, a 3" water line provides plenty of water for one residence. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I really don't need a pressure washer now, and when someone flushes a toilet (heck, they can flush all 7 at once) you don't get scalded in the shower. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It sounds like you should have plenty of water for about 50 or more homes or so from what I was told is needed volume wise per residence. I'm told that I could meet code for 15 homes with what I have! How many homes locations are you making?
I found that when they made the run from my dock to the island what the max bend of their drill is. Being that the bits and lengths are so expensive, they don't like to lose them. Being that they were going under water (10' of water where they went), they didn't want to lose a bit. It would not have been possible to dig it out. Anyway, 15 percent bend is nominal, and 20 percent bend is max on what they had at my house. It is still amazing. They stayed 3' under the bottom of my lake and still came up within the 12" diameter circle painted in the grass on the island! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I thought that was awfully good since they couldn't trace the movement with their little detecting machine when the bit was that far under. The operator had to go by simple experience.
The company that did mine is owned by a good friend of mine. They have a boring machine that takes two semi trailers to haul it to the job site. They have a 48" bit for it and can pull 48" pipe. The bit (only the bit) for the rig was tens of thousands of dollars, and had a serial number of "1". /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif He told me that they won't do a job where they don't have the option of going after that bit if it gets stuck. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I asked him if the entire rig cost over a hundred grand, and he laughed at me and told me that I didn't have a clue. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I guess I won't be buying one of those for the ole shop. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Oh yeah, this guy is the same one who talked me into running a 3" water line back to my house from the 12" main out on the road. He knew I didn't want to be short on water back at my house, which is about 1000 feet away. Uh, a 3" water line provides plenty of water for one residence. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I really don't need a pressure washer now, and when someone flushes a toilet (heck, they can flush all 7 at once) you don't get scalded in the shower. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It sounds like you should have plenty of water for about 50 or more homes or so from what I was told is needed volume wise per residence. I'm told that I could meet code for 15 homes with what I have! How many homes locations are you making?
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Impressive project EddieWalker. I'd like to reserve a site now for your grand opening. Full hookups please.
A guy I used to work for helped his son get in the directional drilling business. He bought a smallish machine and would follow the water and gas companies throughout the city. He'd to the hookups from the main to the house and of course, everyone wanted the low impact approach that he offered. He continues to do quite well for himself as I understand /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
A guy I used to work for helped his son get in the directional drilling business. He bought a smallish machine and would follow the water and gas companies throughout the city. He'd to the hookups from the main to the house and of course, everyone wanted the low impact approach that he offered. He continues to do quite well for himself as I understand /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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I'm still clearing trees and adjusting my layout, so I'm unsure of the number of sites I will have. I'm shooting for 300 RV sites, 40 cabins, 3 laundrymats, and about 35 individual bathrooms with their own showers.
The people at the water department said for every half inch that you increase your pipe diamater, your capacity increases aproximately 2 1/2 times. Don't get me wrong, distance, elevation and the smoothness of the pipe all factor in to the equation also. That figure is just a general rule of thumb.
Most of the local towns around here with populations of a few thousand don't have six inch water mains. The amount of water I'll have available is just staggering.
As for the boring machine, it was neat to see them use it, but not something I wanted to get involved with. All four of them were busting their buts to keep everything going. They had a very long day in 90 degree weather and very high humidity!
The people at the water department said for every half inch that you increase your pipe diamater, your capacity increases aproximately 2 1/2 times. Don't get me wrong, distance, elevation and the smoothness of the pipe all factor in to the equation also. That figure is just a general rule of thumb.
Most of the local towns around here with populations of a few thousand don't have six inch water mains. The amount of water I'll have available is just staggering.
As for the boring machine, it was neat to see them use it, but not something I wanted to get involved with. All four of them were busting their buts to keep everything going. They had a very long day in 90 degree weather and very high humidity!
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The way it works Bird is the head or bit has a transponder in it. That tells the fella with the little box where it's located and how deep down it is.
When they need to go lower the operator has a dial on the machine that's simliar to a clock that tells where the angle part of the bit is. So going down he turns the drill until the angled part is on the up side.
He then pushes the rod forward without turning it. This acts like an elevator on an airplane wing. It causes the head or bit to dive. When he's got it to the new depth he turns it level with another ajustment and then starts spinning the head boring on down the line.
When they get to the catch pit at the other side they attach a reemer and bring the rod along with the casing back.
When you look at one of the machines like they're using in your area it might say "24/40". That means it's got twenty four thousand pounds of push and forty thousand pounds of pull.
The biggest problems with directional boring is there is so much of it that there's becoming a maze below surface. So each new conduit or line goes deeper.
What's going to save the industry will be an x ray system that allows a view of the subsurface without digging to verify. They aren't there yet.
The way it works Bird is the head or bit has a transponder in it. That tells the fella with the little box where it's located and how deep down it is.
When they need to go lower the operator has a dial on the machine that's simliar to a clock that tells where the angle part of the bit is. So going down he turns the drill until the angled part is on the up side.
He then pushes the rod forward without turning it. This acts like an elevator on an airplane wing. It causes the head or bit to dive. When he's got it to the new depth he turns it level with another ajustment and then starts spinning the head boring on down the line.
When they get to the catch pit at the other side they attach a reemer and bring the rod along with the casing back.
When you look at one of the machines like they're using in your area it might say "24/40". That means it's got twenty four thousand pounds of push and forty thousand pounds of pull.
The biggest problems with directional boring is there is so much of it that there's becoming a maze below surface. So each new conduit or line goes deeper.
What's going to save the industry will be an x ray system that allows a view of the subsurface without digging to verify. They aren't there yet.
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Thanks, Harvey, good explanation. When I was on the board of directors for our rural water system, they had been hiring the road bores done. It was both expensive and we sometimes couldn't get them when we needed them, so we finally bought our own equipment, but it wasn't a "directional" system like that. Our guys simply dug a hole on each side of the road with the backhoe with a very straight vertical rear wall of the hole on the side we were going to bore from, put a heavy timber in there for a backstop, and used the tractor hydraulics to simply push the bit through; nothing more than a hydraulic ram with lots of short pieces of pipe that could be screwed together as they went.
