Broken again, loosing faith

[kco]

It's been interesting to follow this thread, see how it was successfully resolved, and to hear how the new tractor is working out.

Perhaps you could solve the box blade clearance problem by extending the distance with a Pat's quick hitch or similar, or modify the box blade mounting brackets. I had a similar problem with my Farm King finishing mower. I resolved it by replacing the four flat mounting plates with longer ones.

Of course all this could be fixed with appropriate warning labels on the box blade, 3 point hitch arms and tires (couldn't resist!!!).

 

[kiotiken]

Of course all this could be fixed with appropriate warning labels on the box blade, 3 point hitch arms and tires (couldn't resist!!!).

:laughing::laughing::laughing: + one on the door of the cab to instruct me to read ALL safety labels before entering!

 

[Stick895]

Judging by the size of the owners manuals on things like guns and trucks, if they'd get rid of the warnings they could be half the size and save a ton of paper. Save the trees, use your head!

 

[Mousefield]

Judging by the size of the owners manuals on things like guns and trucks, if they'd get rid of the warnings they could be half the size and save a ton of paper. Save the trees, use your head!

It is amazing how stupid some people can be though. The warning labels never stop. Stuff like "don't dry your cat in the microwave" :laughing: :laughing:
Or, don't put a cup of hot coffee between your legs while driving. :mur:
Suspect a lot of the warning labels are to stop the stupid people from suing the manufacturer.

 

[krazsk]

Have you ever read the Arctic Cat 4 wheel ATV owner's manual? It essentially says, "Do not drive this ATV, it is dangerous and may kill you"

 

[kiotiken]

Have you ever read the Arctic Cat 4 wheel ATV owner's manual? It essentially says, "Do not drive this ATV, it is dangerous and may kill you"

No, you must be mistaken, people die on those all the time. Wouldn't happen if they warned people first.

 

[IslandTractor]

It is amazing how stupid some people can be though. The warning labels never stop. Stuff like "don't dry your cat in the microwave" :laughing: :laughing:
Or, don't put a cup of hot coffee between your legs while driving. :mur:
Suspect a lot of the warning labels are to stop the stupid people from suing the manufacturer.

While I agree that no number of warning labels will prevent some inexperienced soul from doing damage, it is realistic to acknowledge the obvious which is that probably the majority of Kioti buyers have either zero tractor experience or at best limited experience. That certainly goes double for hydraulic systems, backhoes, loaders and implements other than mowers. Their manuals and safety equipment should reflect this reality.

 

[DK35vince]

While I agree that no number of warning labels will prevent some inexperienced soul from doing damage, it is realistic to acknowledge the obvious which is that probably the majority of Kioti buyers have either zero tractor experience or at best limited experience. That certainly goes double for hydraulic systems, backhoes, loaders and implements other than mowers. Their manuals and safety equipment should reflect this reality.

Exactly.
An experianced operater would likely notice something was wrong if the remote was accidently left/bumped on and turn it off. No problem.
Someone with little to no experiance could be running around for hours with the remote lever detented on and have no idea till it causes problems.

 

[aczlan]

While I agree that no number of warning labels will prevent some inexperienced soul from doing damage, it is realistic to acknowledge the obvious which is that probably the majority of Kioti buyers have either zero tractor experience or at best limited experience. That certainly goes double for hydraulic systems, backhoes, loaders and implements other than mowers. Their manuals and safety equipment should reflect this reality.

Exactly.
An experianced operater would likely notice something was wrong if the remote was accidently left/bumped on and turn it off. No problem.
Someone with little to no experiance could be running around for hours with the remote lever detented on and have no idea till it causes problems.

Exactly, I would probably notice it fairly quickly, but my wife, or father-in-law? Not so much.
IMO, tractor aimed at the mass market should be designed so that you cant break something major by snagging your shirtsleeve on a remote lever while getting on/off.

Ok look at it this way, Lets say this is a Kubota, and disregard the rear remote with the detent, lets say we operate the main lift valve on the FEL, it goes all the way up and we just sit there and hold the valve back and keep on holding it. The system goes into relief, and we notice the drag on the motor and the whine noise, but we just keep on holding it, How long will the pump on the Kubota last? Developing full pressure into the deadheaded fully extended cylinders. This is the same scenario we are talking about here with the rear remote with the control valve locked into detent and full pressure developed into the not moving connector, with the relief valve trying to relieve the pressure.

My issue is that in your scenarios you have to ACTIVELY do something to cause the failure (hold the valve open, push against the tree, etc). On the Kioti (from what I have read) the lever could get bumped as you are getting on/off without any intent on the part of the operator and (if the operator is not familiar with the tractor) could fail without any warning.

Aaron Z

 

[k0ua]

Exactly, I would probably notice it fairly quickly, but my wife, or father-in-law? Not so much.
IMO, tractor aimed at the mass market should be designed so that you cant break something major by snagging your shirtsleeve on a remote lever while getting on/off.


My issue is that in your scenarios you have to ACTIVELY do something to cause the failure (hold the valve open, push against the tree, etc). On the Kioti (from what I have read) the lever could get bumped as you are getting on/off without any intent on the part of the operator and (if the operator is not familiar with the tractor) could fail without any warning.

Aaron Z

You make good thought out points.. but there is always risk in life.. example of the loaning the tractor to the relative and they not knowing about the lever going into detent.. yes this could happen. Now if you loan out a nice semi-automatic handgun to your relative, lets say a nice Glock 19 for instance.. you give it to them loaded and one in the chamber (same as handing them a running tractor) They don't know about the fact that all it takes to fire the Glock 19 is a nice finger in the trigger guard and 5.5 lbs of pressure.. there are no warning labels, and it is pretty easy to do... Who is at fault..? Them for not asking about how to safely operate the gun before accepting it? yes. You for not insisting they learn all about the gun before presenting them with it? Yes. Or is it the manufactures fault for making such an easy to fire device in the first place? No. The firearm is operating exactly as intended for its purpose. I place most of the blame on you for presenting an untrained person with a firearm they do not understand, and some on them for not being cautious enough to not accept it without proper training and education. I place none on the manufacturer. Look I agree with you the detent's could be a problem, so I and my dealer dealt with the problem. For others the detents are not a problem, they are a feature that they like and want to keep. As are many other hydraulic valves set up and configured this way. It is an industry practice to have some valves in a valve stack set up in different ways. just Like Kioti sets up the first valve with detents and the second without...It is accepted. Please do not take these comments as any kind of personal attack on you or your logic.. I just see things a little differently I guess. Take care

James K0UA