Broken welds

[WranglerX]

CAPS ARE NOTHING BUT BIGGER LETTERS FOR EYE STRAINERS...IF YOU THINK TYPING ON A MUTE MACHINE IS YELLING,THEN YOU ARE TRULY LIGHT IN THE LOAFERS AND YOU ARE READY FOR THE HA HA HOTEL...

Guess you really failed your english courses in school and later the "introduction to the internet 101"....

 

[sixdogs]

Anything can fail, even a good weld, under the right condition.

I took a tech school welding glass a few years ago and the welding instructor was a no nonsense lifelong pro that went through great pains to tear stuff apart to show that good welds won't come apart.

Skyscrapers are welded these days.

 

[oneal hicks]

Was a welder for many years the truth is if a weld is properly applied the weld will be stronger that the surrounding metal. I have seen this on many occasions where over stressing the joint it is the metal not the weld that failed.

 

[mx842]

Sorry about your tractor. I'm thinking like several of the guys on here are, with regard to breaking welds. I'm no pro by any means but have been welding one thing or another for 50 years at least. I've never had a weld actually break, even the bubblegum ones. Well, maybe an aluminum one a time or two when I didn't take time to clean it enough before I stuck it together or when I welded something way out of position. I have seen welds completely pull out of the base metal or crack right next to the weld but never crack or break right in the weld. But I guess anything can happen and there are the things that are built late on Friday or early Monday morning.
'damn' I hope I didn't spell anything wrong.

 

[Skypilota72]

IF YOU EVER GET TO GO TO INDIA WHERE MAHINDRAS ARE MADE READY FOR ASSEMBLY IN TEXAS, YOU WOULD SEE WHY THE WELDS BREAK APART...

Senseless comment. Everyone has opinions on tractor manufactures, but unless you have facts based on evidence regarding systemic failures, it remains just an opinion.

By the way, many Mahindra’s built since their inception are still running well in 3rd world nations.

 

[mx842]

Here are a couple of videos from Messicks from a while ago.

A lot of food for thought with respect to the new generation of compact tractors.

It is very easy to get a lot of weight on the front axle of small tractors when using the bucket.

Now this guy is a salesman not a farmer. Some of what he says about the fulcrum effect from rear ballast makes sense.

For me, I put weight on the back of the tractor so I can put more weight on the front.

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Dang, I wish the hydraulics on my Kubota 3301 were strong enough to do that. Even with no rear ballast like in this pic mine would never raise the rear wheels off the ground. I guess in a way that's a good thing because you stand a much better chance of not bending or breaking something.
The hydraulics are the only disappointment I have with this tractor. When I bought it I told that salesman I wanted something I could at the very least pick up 1000lbs. This thing has a hard time lifting 500lbs off the ground, never mind doing with it once off the ground.

 

[ttouring]

I would contact the company not the dealer. No matter what the age of your tractor this should have never happened. Sometimes a company will help in some kind of way.

 

[ttouring]

Senseless comment. Everyone has opinions on tractor manufactures, but unless you have facts based on evidence regarding systemic failures, it remains just an opinion.

By the way, many Mahindra’s built since their inception are still running well in 3rd world nations.

Maybe in third world counties the don't report failure of this nature thinking its something they done same applies to US.

 

[DavesTractor]

I would contact the company not the dealer. No matter what the age of your tractor this should have never happened. Sometimes a company will help in some kind of way.

Please read post #29 in this thread. We are the dealer. He did what he should and contacted us first. We put together a request to Mahindra to cover this even though it was technically not in warranty. Mahindra responded promptly with approval. This is the best method, unless, of course, you have a dealer that is not willing to advocate for you.

It helped that the customer was cooperative and that the tractor had not been abused. We want to take care of that sort of customer. You should not have to jump up and down and become the squeaky wheel to get results.

 

[CliffordK]

Dang, I wish the hydraulics on my Kubota 3301 were strong enough to do that. Even with no rear ballast like in this pic mine would never raise the rear wheels off the ground. I guess in a way that's a good thing because you stand a much better chance of not bending or breaking something.
The hydraulics are the only disappointment I have with this tractor. When I bought it I told that salesman I wanted something I could at the very least pick up 1000lbs. This thing has a hard time lifting 500lbs off the ground, never mind doing with it once off the ground.

The bucket hydraulics seem to be rated for the tractor weight. Fortunately the actual loader seems to be much stronger than what the hydraulics can handle, although some people have managed to bend loaders in one method or another.

Many tractors seem to be able to barely lift enough to hit the tipping point with no rear ballast (or only tire ballast).

In the picture with the Ford, I was pulling a scissor lift off of a trailer, and had forgotten to add ballast back on the tractor after putting the draw bar on earlier. So, when I pulled the lift past the end of the trailer, I got a lot more weight added to the bucket and wheels came up.

I have modified the front axle stops to keep it from rolling to the side. Inconvenient for some things, but safer when using the bucket.

 

[5030]

I took a tech school welding glass a few years ago and the welding instructor was a no nonsense lifelong pro that went through great pains to tear stuff apart to show that good welds won't come apart.

Skyscrapers are welded these days.

Is that why the WTC fell down?

 

[sixdogs]

Is that why the WTC fell down?

Beats me but those were built in the '60's. They were probably bolted or riveted back then.

 

[5030]

What bothers me about welded together steel in modern buildings is, those welds for the most part are not magna fluxed or checked carefully, whereas all welds in any nuclear facility are but then nuclear welds in a nuclear facility are mostly in exoctic alloy's not hot rolled steel.

I could tell you stories about nuclear welding but I really cannot simply because most of it is classified. Suffice to say that one of my very good friends is the guy who certifies nuclear welders and he is my teacher and certifies me as well and o I don't have any desire to work at the trade. Having said that, I do work for myself and some of my customers require an AWS cert for me to bid on their jobs.

SMAW welding, even with experienced welders can be very inconsistent anyway.

 

[Ronald G]

Using my Mahindra 1626 shuttle to move a dirt pile I noticed unusual left front tire movement. I was in 4wd and tires were turned slightly to the right. Before I could disengage and get stopped, the axle had broken loose the bracket at the weld and forced the tire towards the rear of the machine which in turn broke the right side loose folding the entire front axel back up under the chassi which crushed and put a hole in the oil pan.
Anyone else ever heard of this or had issue with welds or inferior steel in Mahindra?

I don't trust anything welded with wire feed or any of these low voltage welders, a good stick weld will not break, the metal around it with rip tear or break before the weld, in welding class your weld had to go through every possible test and it had not better break. I don't see the good penetration with these new welders.
I have seen a lot of cars along the road with spindle failure I am sure it is due to crappy modern welding.
I don't ever remember seeing welding failures before and I have been around a while.

 

[Rustyiron]

IF YOU EVER GET TO GO TO INDIA WHERE MAHINDRAS ARE MADE READY FOR ASSEMBLY IN TEXAS, YOU WOULD SEE WHY THE WELDS BREAK APART...

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[DavesTractor]

I'm sure you are just trying to be funny, and I guess that is fine, but if you read this thread, you would understand that the broken welds were on a Mitsubishi Mahindra made in Japan. I've been to Mahindra factories in India and in Japan. You would be impressed.

I think racist remarks are best kept off this forum.

 

[Bob64]

Im not a wizard in this area but I have a Kioti CX2510 and the manual states; when stepping it into 4WD make sure the wheeles are straight and never turn in this mode. Does your manual instruct you to do the same for your model as it does for mine ?

Okay, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. When I first read your comment it sounded like you are not supposed to turn your front wheels when in four wheel drive which obviously does not make sense. Of course I happen to have a Kubota and live on a side hill so run it in 4WD about 99% of the time. You are talking about interlocking the rear wheels are you?

 

[Bob64]

Dang, I wish the hydraulics on my Kubota 3301 were strong enough to do that. Even with no rear ballast like in this pic mine would never raise the rear wheels off the ground. I guess in a way that's a good thing because you stand a much better chance of not bending or breaking something.
The hydraulics are the only disappointment I have with this tractor. When I bought it I told that salesman I wanted something I could at the very least pick up 1000lbs. This thing has a hard time lifting 500lbs off the ground, never mind doing with it once off the ground.

I am surprised your tractor has a hard time lifting 500 lbs. off the ground. According to TractorData.com Kubota L3301 tractor attachments information it should be well over a 1000 lbs. I have a Kubota L3010 (abt 2002 vintage) that picks up over a 1000 lbs. with no problem. In fact I have lifted many things that heavy with it, just have to be careful because accidents can happen way too fast.

 

[ArlyA]

I'm sure you are just trying to be funny, and I guess that is fine, but if you read this thread, you would understand that the broken welds were on a Mitsubishi Mahindra made in Japan. I've been to Mahindra factories in India and in Japan. You would be impressed.

I think racist remarks are best kept off this forum.

Its Ok to report them to moderators.

 

[5030]

I don't trust anything welded with wire feed or any of these low voltage welders, a good stick weld will not break, the metal around it with rip tear or break before the weld, in welding class your weld had to go through every possible test and it had not better break. I don't see the good penetration with these new welders.
I have seen a lot of cars along the road with spindle failure I am sure it is due to crappy modern welding.
I don't ever remember seeing welding failures before and I have been around a while.

Not exactly correct friend. I use MIG (solid wire with shielding gas) to repair cracks in heavy duty buckets from excavators and front loaders all the time (so long as they fit in the shop that is). If I'm working on them outside, I use low hydrogen stick.

If it's a heavy fabrication and I can do it in the shop, I'll use 'spray arc globular transfer' which entails high amperage (above 220 amps) and obviously with a 220-1 powered welder. not some toy store 110 volt welder, that is basically useless.

Though I prefer TIG, that is too slow and has to be done in the shop, only because of the shielding gas issue.

No toy welders in the shop, ever.