Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck

   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #51  
Well I'm glad to find this thread. I just got off the phone with a guy on a dozer I've been trying to buy from him for over a year. Its down the road from my place, he got foreclosed on and left it in a neighbor's yard. He finally decided that he needs the money.
So its a 1959 Case 310 Shovel it ran a month or so ago, evidently its got a generator issue. But I figured for 500 bucks it should be a fun addition to the old iron I already have.
I have a 6ton deckover hudson and I tow with a dodge 2500 6.7. I'm wondering what's going to tow harder this or my 7745 Zetor which is close to 11k.


I owned a case 310 crawler loader, weighed under 10K if I remember correctly, I did not have the counter weight (therefore idlers and rails were toast).

Good luck with the machine, nice part about those machines, if i remember correctly is no steering clutches to stick.

Mine was gas and I ultimately sold it when she would no longer run, lost all compression, I guess runing without air cleaner can do that to a machine. I got it that way.

Joel
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #52  
Joel, sounds like maybe you had not so good experiences with your tracked machines, sorry to hear about that. Do you mind if I ask what you paid for them and how many hours were on them? What are your reasons that you would never own a tracked machine again?
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #53  
Something that I would like to add about buying and owning a dozer.

If you need to take someone knowledgeable about them to look at it before you buy, then most likely you should not own an older machine.

If you will have to hire someone to work on it because you are not really able to, then most likely you should not own one.

If you are considering an older machine and something MAJOR (big $$$$ repair) breaks after you purchase, you don't fix it, you park it and it just became either scrap iron or a parts machine.

Anytime that you purchase a used machine, you take a chance, if you are not prepared to deal with the consequences, then you should not purchase a used machine.

If you can't afford new ( not many can when it comes to dozers) then you need to either rent, hire the job out, or figure some other way to get the job done.

In my opinion, if you vary much from this, then those are the guys that have money pits.

This is what has worked for us and I suppose maybe some luck, but my brother and I have had what I consider good performance from our older equipment.
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #54  
I echo what Brian says. I plan to do most or all of the repair work that is required on my dozer - since it is for my personal use, I have that luxury of time. I'm also fortunate that the guy I bought it from still buys/sells/rents dozers and works on electrical equipment, and another friend of mine is a quite handy diesel mechanic. Even if that were not the case, I would still plan of doing the work, just finding the expertise might be harder.

At the end of summer, I went to start it and it fired right up, but then it died. The fuel line going from the tank to the filters had developed a drip and drained all the fuel out of the tank and as soon as the fuel in the filters was gone, I had run it dry. I took the opportunity to do a full PM on it (all the filters, all the fluids, etc.) I ended up having the starter rebuilt (by the guy I mentioned that I bought it from - about $120). I also had to have my other buddy come by and we had to pull start it since it was gone dry. We had cranked and cranked and it wouldn't pop - we pulled it and it started in just a few seconds (plus I got to use my 2 1/2 ton truck to do it!).

Anyway, I love owning the little dozer. I do alot of clearing with it and sure, it would be better to have a bigger machine or an excavator to clear, but this is the dozer that I got and it beat's the heck out of a chainsaw. The undercarriage on the machine is not new, but it will outlast everything that I do to it. The other good thing about my units is that it is alot more like a tractor with tracks than a dozer. It's very small and I don't have to have the huge dozer tools for 99% of the work that I do to it.

Of course, everybody's experience is different and if I had had one calamity after another, I would probably not be sold on having another tracked machine again.
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #55  
Joel, sounds like maybe you had not so good experiences with your tracked machines, sorry to hear about that. Do you mind if I ask what you paid for them and how many hours were on them? What are your reasons that you would never own a tracked machine again?

Hi Ranch,

First machine was 1950's vintage, I knew nothing about tracked machines. I paid $2K and got robbed.

The trackes, rails, rollers, sprockets and idlers were basically junk.

One brake worked the other barely.

The motor had run without an airfilter for who knows how long and had ingested who knows what, I have no excuse for that one, I definately should've known better.

Really nothing more than a parts machine in the end.

That was just dumb, excited, first timer.

I sold for $700 after a year or two, got some work out of it so not total loss. I became an expert at putting tracks on.

Second was a 70's deere 350B.

Motor ran like new (2500 hours or so). Undercarriage in fair condition, blade worked good. Could've used new brake bands and I was always scared of the steering clutches sticking.

I paid $6500, tested at guys house, worked fine, it was winter. Got it home, opperated it for a few hours, hit a rock and the tracks did not spin and I could smell clutch. Seller refunded $500.

Long story short, reverer seals were toast.

I do not have equipment to pull a motor that heavy, nor the reverser for that matter.

I paid a mechanic $3500 to rebuild, that included parts, he did a great job, the spider gear in the reverser was $600 alone and that was used, new spider almost $1K.

I ran that machine for 2 years and sold prior to last winter setting in for $7500. Was a relief as the steering clutches, particularly right side liked to freeze up and was not fun freeing it.

I did uproot a bunch of trees and did have fun opperating it, even used once to plow my driveway in the winter, neighbors thougth I was out of my mind, funny seeing people drive by and stare at the nut plowing his driveway with the bulldozer.

Why would I never buy again.

To heavy to transport with most homeowner equipment.

To heavy to work on, everything weighs a ton.

Parts are too expensive, I'd much rather purchase a new tire than a new track.

Finaly, and most importantly, when I need something done like a dozer or excavator. I just rent. As I've posted many times now, I can rent a 25K excavator for $500 delivered over the weekend with the ability to use for 10 hours or so. I can easily rent much bigger than I could ever buy.

I've done it twice and have run out of work both times and returned with hours to spare.

With 3.5 acres owning something like that just makes no sense for me.

Sincerely,
Joel
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #56  
3) I towed with 3/4 ton , 350 CI, Chevy with 3:11's, would'nt dream of pulling with anything less and let me tell you, 15+K behind a 3/4 ton is a bunch of weight.

Sincerely,
Joel

I sure hope you meant 4:10 gears. I would not dream of pulling that load with anything less than 3.73's

Chris
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #57  
Joel, with only 3.5 acres, a dozer would be over kill I guess. I have a question though, why would you have a need to transport? And yes, with your size of property, you would usually be able to rent and get the job done. For those of us that have bigger properties and on going projects, renting is not cost effective, for me anyway. I suppose that it would be nice to have the new machines to use by renting though.
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #58  
I sure hope you meant 4:10 gears. I would not dream of pulling that load with anything less than 3.73's

Chris

Hi Diamond, correct, 4:11's, sorry about that. Good catch.

Amazing how strong a small block can seem with low gearing.

Joel
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #59  
Joel, with only 3.5 acres, a dozer would be over kill I guess. I have a question though, why would you have a need to transport? And yes, with your size of property, you would usually be able to rent and get the job done. For those of us that have bigger properties and on going projects, renting is not cost effective, for me anyway. I suppose that it would be nice to have the new machines to use by renting though.

Hi Ranch,

The first time I needed to transport was to get the machine repaired.

Then, once word got out that I had the machine, friends were asking if I'd so some work at their houses. Never did do anything at anyone elses house in the end.

I have done a few jobs for others with my backhoe though.

I do find there is a helpless feeling if I can't transport my machines. I hate to be at the mercy of others if or when the need arises.

Joel
 
   / Bulldozer and 3/4 ton truck #60  
Something that I would like to add about buying and owning a dozer.

If you need to take someone knowledgeable about them to look at it before you buy, then most likely you should not own an older machine.

If you will have to hire someone to work on it because you are not really able to, then most likely you should not own one.

If you are considering an older machine and something MAJOR (big $$$$ repair) breaks after you purchase, you don't fix it, you park it and it just became either scrap iron or a parts machine.

Anytime that you purchase a used machine, you take a chance, if you are not prepared to deal with the consequences, then you should not purchase a used machine.

If you can't afford new ( not many can when it comes to dozers) then you need to either rent, hire the job out, or figure some other way to get the job done.

In my opinion, if you vary much from this, then those are the guys that have money pits.

This is what has worked for us and I suppose maybe some luck, but my brother and I have had what I consider good performance from our older equipment.

Anything not under warranty, that you can't repair yourself, probably fits into this statement. Older iron can take lots of time, patience and money. I got a JD 350B just because. They take bigger tools, heat, extra time and some research work to find the right parts at the right price. It needed steering clutches. The brake bands had a scary price at JD. After some research found a place called clutch and friction that took the old ones and made them new. IMO, if you don't have the time, tools or patience then older stuff isn't for you.
This machine weighs in at 13,000

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