Defective
Platinum Member
have_blue said:
I'd hate to get stranded at work because a front moved in & made it a cloudy day...better carry an extension cord.
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I'd hate to get stranded at work because a front moved in & made it a cloudy day...better carry an extension cord.
patrick_g
Elite Member
I was especially entertained by the earlier claim in this thread about perpetual motion. There is no way (according to the laws of thermodynamics and they are called laws not theories!) to burn a fuel consuming energy to produce energy to run the process. If you believe it can be done just reach down and grab your ankles and pull yourself up into the air.
An alternator will not produce enough electricity to generate enough hydrogen to run the engine to turn the alternator.
All systems have losses, no one in centuries of trying has ever perfected perpetual motion. The laws of thermodynamics prevail.
Any idiot can stick two conductors into less than perfectly clean water and get hydrogen and oxygen gas. Many a grade school kid has done it. If you use DC instead of AC you get a separate supply of oxygen and hydrogen. With soap in the water you can get bubbles of hydrogen that rise up quite a ways before eventually popping. Invert a jar full of water and let the bubbles displace the water. When full you have a bottle of hydrogen or oxygen. If you use AC you will have an explosive mixture that can blow up and scatter glass for quite a ways.
None of this is new, or useful in fueling a vehicle.
Pat
An alternator will not produce enough electricity to generate enough hydrogen to run the engine to turn the alternator.
All systems have losses, no one in centuries of trying has ever perfected perpetual motion. The laws of thermodynamics prevail.
Any idiot can stick two conductors into less than perfectly clean water and get hydrogen and oxygen gas. Many a grade school kid has done it. If you use DC instead of AC you get a separate supply of oxygen and hydrogen. With soap in the water you can get bubbles of hydrogen that rise up quite a ways before eventually popping. Invert a jar full of water and let the bubbles displace the water. When full you have a bottle of hydrogen or oxygen. If you use AC you will have an explosive mixture that can blow up and scatter glass for quite a ways.
None of this is new, or useful in fueling a vehicle.
Pat
Egon
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Does this mean I can't drive across the country on a few gallons of water???
Defective
Platinum Member
Egon,
If you dump water on the road for the entire route in January...just ahead of your vehicle...you can, but you better have studded tires.
If you dump water on the road for the entire route in January...just ahead of your vehicle...you can, but you better have studded tires.
Egon
Epic Contributor
Why oh why do people take advantage of my "Challenged Mentally" situation??
I'm still waiting for the Pogue carburetor ordered a long time ago!
I'm still waiting for the Pogue carburetor ordered a long time ago!
AND make sure its salt water!!! glumbert - Saltwater into FireDefective said:
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Egon
Epic Contributor
But then I can only drive around radio station transmitters or??
MikeD74T
Veteran Member
patrick_g said:
Pat, You may have misunderstood my reference to perpetual motion. I was saying that a method to produce a long range hydrogen generating vehicle may be possible but will probably remain unreasonable expensive and otherwise impractical. Perpetual motion is not possible. Thermodynamics is law - perpetual motion is theory.
I always read your threads but note that you sometimes don't really read the ones you reply to.
MikeD74TMaybe, but 30 years ago, I wouldn't have believed I'd both cook and warm food using microwaves, the thing I really liked about this is, it was totally by accidentEgon said:But then I can only drive around radio station transmitters or??
gemini5362
Veteran Member
Pat I was reading your thread and maybe I dont understand something I know you will explain it so that I can understand it though.
My understanding of perpetual motion is when you start a process that is self sustaining without adding any type of fuel.
Technically if you use a alternator to produce current and then use the current to produce hydrogen from water that would deplete your supply of water and you would have to replace the water so technically the water would be the fuel and would have to be replaced so that would not be perpetual motion as I understand it. Could you explain it to me please and If my misunderstanding of perpetual motion is incorrect I would not be suprised.
My understanding of perpetual motion is when you start a process that is self sustaining without adding any type of fuel.
Technically if you use a alternator to produce current and then use the current to produce hydrogen from water that would deplete your supply of water and you would have to replace the water so technically the water would be the fuel and would have to be replaced so that would not be perpetual motion as I understand it. Could you explain it to me please and If my misunderstanding of perpetual motion is incorrect I would not be suprised.
