Buying and selling guns ?

[teejk]

So I'm thinking of traking a gun to a gunshow that I bought new and selling it. If I don't sell it at a gunshow I may sell it on in a classified add. So gunshow isn't the crux of the question.

If I sell that gun without any paper trail and someone uses it to commit a crime and they trace it back to me because I registered it when buying it new... will I have to be proving the sale and or answering questions about where I was at the time the gun was used in a crime?

Interesting question for sure. But to be clear, unless Ohio is different than most places, you DID NOT "register" it when you bought it. But anyway, the ATF says this...

"When a transaction takes place between unlicensed persons who reside in the same State, the GCA does not require any record keeping. An unlicensed person may sell a firearm to another unlicensed person in his or her State of residence and, similarly, an unlicensed person may buy a firearm from another unlicensed person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are 都ame亡tate residents.
There may be State or local laws or regulations that govern this type of transaction. Contact the office of your State Attorney General for information regarding any such requirements".
Last Reviewed September 23, 2016

 

[Garandman]

So I'm thinking of traking a gun to a gunshow that I bought new and selling it. If I don't sell it at a gunshow I may sell it on in a classified add. So gunshow isn't the crux of the question.

If I sell that gun without any paper trail and someone uses it to commit a crime and they trace it back to me because I registered it when buying it new... will I have to be proving the sale and or answering questions about where I was at the time the gun was used in a crime?

I know a lot of people who either log the sale at a dealer, or sell it through a dealer on consignment, just to make sure they weren't selling to a "Prohibited Person."

Plenty do it face-to-face. How you control that varies widely. A lot of my friends suggest meeting at a police station: this weeds out the dodgy.

 

[om21braz]

For a little less money and no worries, trade it in to a dealer for something you can use--gun, accessory, boots, ammunition, jacket, credit, etc.

If you have a Cabela's nearby, they were buying for 70% of what they would sell it for, when I checked last. Payment in cash or credit.

Bruce

That's a better percentage than I would think. I usually manage to sell most mine to friends when I've decided it doesn't suit me or shoot as well as I'd like. Even bought a couple back.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

So I'm thinking of traking a gun to a gunshow that I bought new and selling it. If I don't sell it at a gunshow I may sell it on in a classified add. So gunshow isn't the crux of the question.

If I sell that gun without any paper trail and someone uses it to commit a crime and they trace it back to me because I registered it when buying it new... will I have to be proving the sale and or answering questions about where I was at the time the gun was used in a crime?

PLEASE, do not take this wrong, BUT... you would have to be brain dead to sell a gun without a paper trail. Plenty of FFl's around to help out. If not, get photo copy of DL and have the buyer notarize a bill of sale to him.

 

[lennyzx11]

I've bought a few guns. Some are registered and some not.
I honestly like the fact that no one knows what I have or don't.
I'm not a gun nut.(slept with one in Kuwait and Iraq every night and have permanent aches from the charging handle) but do live in country and am usually alone. I look at them as a tool like my chain or axe.
My small bit of conspiracy paranoia
is that what if the database gets hacked then what I have is then known and could be stolen. And if the government decides I shouldn't have them (don't laugh. It's happened in a few countries) and then take them away because a political entity decides what's best for me. No. I don't think so.

 

[Sigarms]

1 - Know your gun laws. I believe Ohio isn't bad (New York sucks and you couldn't pay me any amount of money to move back there)

2 - Generally, a simple bill of sale will suffice (and in some states, is actually not required on long guns). Personally, for a face to face on handguns, I prefer to at least see a CC permit (w/DL) along with a bill of sale.

I haven't been to a gun show in years. Too much time and hassel dealing with the crowds, and the sales never seem to be like they were a decade ago.

Try your local state gun forum trading section first, for a face to face sale.

Try Armslist within your own state for a face to face sale as well.

When shipping out of state, you MUST send your gun to a FFL, and more and more FFL's aren't accepting guns from non FFL's, which means you'd have to ship from a local FFL (one reason why a face to face sale is much easier in most cases).

Selling and buying guns is actually pretty easy. Just cover your own butt with paperwork if the gun was registered in your name.

The way I see it a gun is meant to be shot. If it sits without being shot in a couple of years, time to get another one (except for some that are family hand me downs as well as some I want to keep around for the boys and perhaps their future families).

 

[Sigarms]

If not, get photo copy of DL and have the buyer notarize a bill of sale to him.

Notorizing a bill of sale for a face to face gun sale is both ridiculous and not called for.

In most non **** states, at most, all you need to do is verify they are capable by their state to legally purchase a firearm (generally with a CC permit of some kind) before selling them a gun. Do you HAVE to have a bill of sale? No. Is a decent idea? Yes. You can find numerous FREE invoices online.

The only time I use a FFL is when it's mandatory, and that's when selling a gun across your state line.

 

[RedNeckGeek]

I'm in the process of liquidating several guns from a family member's estate. I tried posting at gunbroker.com at 15% below Blue Book value and got zero bids over a month time span. Last month I went to Cabela's in Reno and sold a rifle and a shotgun to them, both Brownings. Blue Book on the rifle was $1475, I received $1000 and that included a Leupold 2x7 scope for which they'd pay nothing. Blue Book on the shotgun was $832.50, they paid me $640. So on average about 70% of Blue Book, and a lot better than just collecting dust while a GunBroker ad molders. But I won't be going back to that Cabela's. The person I worked with took HOURS to look up the prices on the same Blue Book web page I'd been using, and most of that time I spent cooling my heals in the "Gun Library" listening to him BS with buddies that would walk in or call him on the phone. I'd go in and check on him every twenty minutes or so only to get another excuse. He also "found" a defect in the trigger mechanism on the rifle that caused the firing pin to follow through as the bolt was closed. All I know is the rifle was working fine when I took it into the store, and wasn't after his "inspection". He "only" knocked off $100 on the price for that. It's worth noting that I live in California and there were no issues with me crossing the state line to sell. Also interesting that there are NO Cabela's in Kalifornia. Gee, do ya suppose it has anything to do with our Draconian gun laws?:confused2::2cents:

 

[2ndhalf]

Well I ended up going to the gun show but I had already bought this at Rural King for my wife to carry in her purse. I'm keeping her other gun too.. she can keep that in her dressser. This little NAA shoots a .22lr or a .22Mag.



The prices at the gun show were stupid high.

 

[Code54]

Around my parts the local road side "flea Markets" in the summer are a gun lovers dream. Tons of guys buying and selling firearms. Mostly not "high" end stuff but now and then you find something worth while.