Buying first tractor, and confused.

[M31]

It is amazing thing to get knowledge in short time. I have an other dummy question. The well pump in the picture need change. I heared most of farmer now day use gas powered water pump. How large and brand normal used? Any kind water pump can use tractor diesel engine power?

 

[M31]

Thanks, WTDeer. If I want do some thing this year, I need hire someboy help me do rough cut and bottom plow first.

Wow!! That's dark soil. That looks like disk harrow/bush and bog land, that soil needs air IMO. Have you thought about waiting on the rotto and buying a harrow. Others might differ with me, but it looks like from your pics it could use that first. Again IMO Clay

 

[Soundguy]

Yep.. It was nothing when i used to mow down weeds over the top of my ex NH 1920's canopy in 3rd gear, 3rd range.. for hours on end.. just stopping to clean the radiator screen now and then..

Soundguy

I think you would be surprised what an impact a tractor and a bush hog can have on 4-5 ft tall weeds. I've mowed thick weeds that were taller than my late father-in-laws Ford 4000.

 

[wolc123]

Do to the proximity issue, the JD and MF should be first on your list. In the 40-45 hp size, which is right on for your application, you would be hard pressed to find anything that outspecs the JD 4120. With your soil conditions, 4wd and R1 tires are definitely your best option for any brand tractor you choose. The JD scores big points because it gives you a standard quick attach bucket on the front loader (400X or CX) and this is a feature that is very difficult to go without once you have had it.

 

[Turbys_1700]

All the info here is excellent. With your land situation my must have's would be.

1. 4 WD (actually it's 4 wheel assist)
2. 40 HP
3. Light Weight
4. R1 tires
5. Quick Attach on the front end loader

My personal favorites are:

Kubota: L4400 MX5000
Deere: 990
New Holland: TC 35 TC40 TC45
Massey: 1540 1547
Kioti: DK35 DK45
Mahindra: 4110 4530

I have no preference to the above. They are all fine units.

 

[M31]

Thanks, Turbys,wolc123 and other firiends here. It looks very clear now. I will go for one of Deere:990, Massey:1540 or Kubota:L4400, R1 tires, Quick Attach on the front end loader, 5' Tiller. Will visit dealers around, hopefully can get a quota around 20K-21K. May I ask what is the real different between MFWD and 4WD?

All the info here is excellent. With your land situation my must have's would be.

1. 4 WD (actually it's 4 wheel assist)
2. 40 HP
3. Light Weight
4. R1 tires
5. Quick Attach on the front end loader

My personal favorites are:

Kubota: L4400 MX5000
Deere: 990
New Holland: TC 35 TC40 TC45
Massey: 1540 1547
Kioti: DK35 DK45
Mahindra: 4110 4530

I have no preference to the above. They are all fine units.

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

The John deere 990 is alot of machine for the money. It is rugged and reliable. No hydro however, I am almost sure of that. From experience, I can tell you that John Deere gets parts in fast and the dealers around me have most of what you need on hand.

I have no experience with MF whatsoever.

 

[M31]

Will see JD(990) and Kubota(L4400) dealers this Sat. For JD 990, Need a light-medium duty FEL with QA and 5' Tiller for medium-heavy duty using (up to 16 acres). Any suggestion on JD or off-market choice?Thanks,

The John deere 990 is alot of machine for the money. It is rugged and reliable. No hydro however, I am almost sure of that. From experience, I can tell you that John Deere gets parts in fast and the dealers around me have most of what you need on hand.

I have no experience with MF whatsoever.

 

[Z-Michigan]

May I ask what is the real different between MFWD and 4WD?

On these forums for most tractors they are the same thing. MFWD means mechanical front wheel drive. This system is similar to what's common on pickup trucks where you can select 2 or 4wd. However, it is intended to be used only when extra traction is needed, not 100% of the time (also like pickup trucks). Picky people view 4wd as meaning the few, very large tractors that have four equal size tires and power all four wheels all the time. All the ones I know of are articulated machines and over 200hp. See a JD 9320, for instance. None of the major brands make true 4wd machines in the CUT or utility size range, though the Power-Trac machines are similar in concept (though their wheels are powered hydraulically rather than with driveshafts).

 

[Z-Michigan]

Have you thought about dual rea wheels on the tractor. I am sure one of the reason that they are used is that they do not sink as far into soft and muddy soil - just like a dually pickup. I am sure it is feasable even on a smaller tractor - I know you can buy them already fitted, maybe special order though. Also, once the dry weather comes around, take off the outer two wheels and just use single rear wheels.

I think a major reason for duals is to allow row-crop tractors to get more tire size while not driving on top of the row crops. The duals are precisely spaced and probably adjustable to match your row spacing. If it weren't for this it would make a lot more sense to just go to wider tires, as is seen on industrial machines like articulated loaders.

 

[bobmisi]

Whatever you buy is going to be loaded with electronics. Keep it bare bones int that department. Todays tractors have many features we don't want ( or want to pay for ) or need. Look at the Branson 3820i which can be gotton for about $18000. It has all the mechanical features you need, syncho shuttle shift with 3 ranges, 4 wheel drive, traction lock, 540-1000 rpm p.t.o, rear remotes, guick attach bucket, bucket level indicator, and the list goes on, all powered by a Cummins diesel, and made in a factory that is also building John Deeres. The Koreans are coming on strong. Just look ay the Hyundai, Rated best in three market segments this year beating out Toyota, Honda and the Big Three, Whoduv thunk it 10 years ago when they brought that car to America. Again, stay away from the electronics and you'll be way ahead in the long run.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Quote Turbys 1700: All the info here is excellent. With your land situation my must have's would be.

1. 4 WD (actually it's 4 wheel assist)
2. 40 HP
3. Light Weight
4. R1 tires
5. Quick Attach on the front end loader

EXCELLENT. With your situation I think you also should go as large on tire size as the tractor will allow. Use of the Michelin high traction radials would also be a benefit because they have a softer, more compliant footprint.
larry

 

[M31]

Thanks, everyone. Finally found time to visit local dealers. Disappointed with the prices they offered, may be that is common for the first time buyer and first round offer.

Went to JD to see 990, they don't have it. If I really want it, may need wait until AUG 7. With 300 basic loader and they ask for 20500. Then they show me the the one they are in stock. 3320 with Mid PTO, eHydro, R4 tire, dual Mid & Single Rear SCV, standard seat. 2Hr on that. $18130.88 final price(no tax)+300X Loader final 3168.66. So the total 21299.54.

The Massey Ferguson 1540 second. Small family dealer. They have a 1540 with 1525 loader instock with 12X12 gearbox. The said hydro is to funcy to do filed work, that I ageed. But look the price for this 3Hr already demo, they ask for $23000 final. The other 1533 very closed to JD3320 with basic 8x8 gear version, they also ask for 20500 final.

I will go and see Kubota L4400 too, hope they can offer a reasonable price.

Quote Turbys 1700: All the info here is excellent. With your land situation my must have's would be.

1. 4 WD (actually it's 4 wheel assist)
2. 40 HP
3. Light Weight
4. R1 tires
5. Quick Attach on the front end loader

EXCELLENT. With your situation I think you also should go as large on tire size as the tractor will allow. Use of the Michelin high traction radials would also be a benefit because they have a softer, more compliant footprint.
larry

 

[DAP]

I sure did. Well, in retrospect, I tried. I was on the showroom floor for over 40 minutes before anyone even noticed me.

I never went back there. My neighbor at the time bought a 2000 B2910 with loader and paid over 21k for it.

I never went back.

I would seriously consider buying from out of state if you are gonna stay in Orange county. Do some price checking with Stever Carver and compare them to Pine Bush, or Chester Valley (if you feelin green).

Your mouth will drop.

 

[b33b]

Dap and M31. Don't expect the first offer to be the best offer, just as you probably wouldn't offer your highest buying price first. Dealers get lots of tire kickers ready to debate and not ready to buy, just look at the length of time some of the people on TBN (like me) have taken to purchase.

But they don't want to miss a sale either. So narrow your choices to 2-3 and visit each of those dealers, tell them you are trying to decide, and ask what they can do on the price. They have better prices, you just have to work to find them.

Buying is like dating, if the initial experiences aren't very good then a full relationship seldom makes things better. There are dealers who will help you and earn your business, lack of local competition lets some stay in business that shouldn't.

 

[DAP]

Dap and M31. Don't expect the first offer to be the best offer, just as you probably wouldn't offer your highest buying price first. Dealers get lots of tire kickers ready to debate and not ready to buy, just look at the length of time some of the people on TBN (like me) have taken to purchase.

But they don't want to miss a sale either. So narrow your choices to 2-3 and visit each of those dealers, tell them you are trying to decide, and ask what they can do on the price. They have better prices, you just have to work to find them.

Buying is like dating, if the initial experiences aren't very good then a full relationship seldom makes things better. There are dealers who will help you and earn your business, lack of local competition lets some stay in business that shouldn't.

Ummmm ... for the record ... I'm talking about a dealer who would not sell with ANYTHING off of list;

I also took over a year and a half before I purchased with a good deal, not all, but a good deal of that time spent researching ...

Seems to me that you must have SOME interaction with a customer to determine if he/she IS a tire kicker or a contractor with 6 outlet chains.

I'm not sure who solicited your advice, but thanks!

Here's some advice ... price isn't everything.