BX 2230 vs BX 23
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Scrounger
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The extra frame and weight on the BX23 is bolted on. If you conpare it to the Woods frame you will see that they are virtual clones. I would have no issues about putting a Woods BH on new or later. Its a very nice piece of equipment and the design considerations to seem to be top notch. I will let you know for sure in a few month since I bought a 2230 with a Woods FEL and BH.
Junkman
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ............. I will let you know for sure in a few month since I bought a 2230 with a Woods FEL and BH. )</font>
Did you get a better deal by buying the Woods BH and the BX2230 vs. the BX23? What was the reasoning behind this combination? Could you please post some pictures of the mechanism that holds it to the tractor and how easy it is to remove and reinstall? What was the installed price for the backhoe itself? thanks Junk.
Did you get a better deal by buying the Woods BH and the BX2230 vs. the BX23? What was the reasoning behind this combination? Could you please post some pictures of the mechanism that holds it to the tractor and how easy it is to remove and reinstall? What was the installed price for the backhoe itself? thanks Junk.
Scrounger
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Junkman I'll post some pics once I get the tractor delivered. You can see the install manual and pictures of the bottom frame on the woods website.
Here's the link to the pdf for the install manual:
http://tinyurl.com/3wtte
Here's the link to the pdf for the install manual:
http://tinyurl.com/3wtte
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Matt,
I looked at the manual and I do not see anything about extra steel Kubota adds to the frame on the BX23, did I miss it? If not, does the lack of extra frame support concern you? Why would Kubota add the extra steel to beef up the frame and Woods did not? What about warranty concerns if you have a problem? who do you go to for a bent frame? What did the set up cost you vs. just buying a BX23?
I looked at the manual and I do not see anything about extra steel Kubota adds to the frame on the BX23, did I miss it? If not, does the lack of extra frame support concern you? Why would Kubota add the extra steel to beef up the frame and Woods did not? What about warranty concerns if you have a problem? who do you go to for a bent frame? What did the set up cost you vs. just buying a BX23?
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I agree that if you know you want a backhoe, go for the BX23. However, you do have the option to purchase a BX2230 and buy the Woods backhoe a few years down the road, when you may need it, or want it, more, if you aren't sure about the backhoe now.
I have seen the parts lists for the Woods backhoe, and have crawled underneath my neighbor's BX22, and I see the same steel subframe reinforcing on both the BX22/23 and the Woods unit. Yes, warranty concerns are an issue, so in general, the BX23 is a better option. But I honestly don't believe that the Woods setup on a 2230 is going to be any weaker than the BX23 setup. I agree with some others that there are some features that are nicer on one, and some features nicer on the other.
Keep in mind that many guys that buy larger machines don't buy the Kubota backhoe, but go with an aftermarket unit in the interest of cost savings. In this case, the Woods setup is either the same price, or even a little more, so the cost factor may make the BX23 the better option. But I think a lot more is made of breaking the tractor - I don't see any valid arguments so far that the 4 point steel Kubota subframe is that much more superior than the 4 point steel Woods subframe, so that doesn't seem to be a valid argument. I didn't see any steel on the BX22 that isn't in the Woods installation/parts manual.
In my opinion, the valid arguments are the warranty issues and the cost - and that makes the BX23 the best option in most cases. But there are circumstances where the Woods backhoe may be a better option for others - owners of older BX2200's, or owners of other brand subcompacts.
And to the original poster, I too recommend finding another Kubota dealer - the one you're talking to either lied about the mid PTO, or doesn't know what he's talking about.
I have seen the parts lists for the Woods backhoe, and have crawled underneath my neighbor's BX22, and I see the same steel subframe reinforcing on both the BX22/23 and the Woods unit. Yes, warranty concerns are an issue, so in general, the BX23 is a better option. But I honestly don't believe that the Woods setup on a 2230 is going to be any weaker than the BX23 setup. I agree with some others that there are some features that are nicer on one, and some features nicer on the other.
Keep in mind that many guys that buy larger machines don't buy the Kubota backhoe, but go with an aftermarket unit in the interest of cost savings. In this case, the Woods setup is either the same price, or even a little more, so the cost factor may make the BX23 the better option. But I think a lot more is made of breaking the tractor - I don't see any valid arguments so far that the 4 point steel Kubota subframe is that much more superior than the 4 point steel Woods subframe, so that doesn't seem to be a valid argument. I didn't see any steel on the BX22 that isn't in the Woods installation/parts manual.
In my opinion, the valid arguments are the warranty issues and the cost - and that makes the BX23 the best option in most cases. But there are circumstances where the Woods backhoe may be a better option for others - owners of older BX2200's, or owners of other brand subcompacts.
And to the original poster, I too recommend finding another Kubota dealer - the one you're talking to either lied about the mid PTO, or doesn't know what he's talking about.
Junkman
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I agree that if you know you want a backhoe, go for the BX23. However, you do have the option to purchase a BX2230 and buy the Woods backhoe a few years down the road, when you may need it, or want it, more, if you aren't sure about the backhoe now. )</font>
He is purchasing a new BX2230 and having the Woods backhoe added prior to delivery to him. This is the part that I don't understand. Is it a cost saving or what is the reason behind the purchase not to buy the BX23????? The only advantage that I see in the Woods specification sheet is the 15" bucket.
He is purchasing a new BX2230 and having the Woods backhoe added prior to delivery to him. This is the part that I don't understand. Is it a cost saving or what is the reason behind the purchase not to buy the BX23????? The only advantage that I see in the Woods specification sheet is the 15" bucket.
Scrounger
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Tom
In the Woods install manual you can see the full length frame that they add to the BX to support the BH and strength the entire frame. The FEL attaches to that and the frame. After seeing the why the Woods attaches I think its as strong if not stronger an attachment than the Kubota. The extra heft on the BX23 is basically the same points the Woods frame adds tot he BX2230. Kubota doesn't add it to the tractor its already present on the 23.
I went for the Woods loader too since it was a bit stronger and had a few features that I liked more than the Kubota.
The Woods loader was less than the Kubota loader and the BH runs about $4500 or so. I think all said and done, you can buy the 2230 with Woods gear for a few grand less than the BX23.
The BX23 is killer, but I dont think its any better than the 2230 with the Woods equipment on it.
I'm not worried about the warranty issue at all. For a few reasons, I think the install of the Woods is excellent and I dont see it causing issues with theBX at all. Woods would warranty the hoe and Kubota the tractor. If a dispute did happen, they would have to prove that the installation caused the failure of the Kubota part. Hard to do and I doubt they would feel the Woods BH would cause any issues.
In the Woods install manual you can see the full length frame that they add to the BX to support the BH and strength the entire frame. The FEL attaches to that and the frame. After seeing the why the Woods attaches I think its as strong if not stronger an attachment than the Kubota. The extra heft on the BX23 is basically the same points the Woods frame adds tot he BX2230. Kubota doesn't add it to the tractor its already present on the 23.
I went for the Woods loader too since it was a bit stronger and had a few features that I liked more than the Kubota.
The Woods loader was less than the Kubota loader and the BH runs about $4500 or so. I think all said and done, you can buy the 2230 with Woods gear for a few grand less than the BX23.
The BX23 is killer, but I dont think its any better than the 2230 with the Woods equipment on it.
I'm not worried about the warranty issue at all. For a few reasons, I think the install of the Woods is excellent and I dont see it causing issues with theBX at all. Woods would warranty the hoe and Kubota the tractor. If a dispute did happen, they would have to prove that the installation caused the failure of the Kubota part. Hard to do and I doubt they would feel the Woods BH would cause any issues.