BX24 and splitter questions..

[Mustangous]

Hello,
I am looking into a log splitter and may have a deal on a 3pt one.

I have a few questions....

1. I know the rear hydraulics gpm on a bx24 is low, but what is the actual number?
2. Would there be a better place to hook it up with quick fittings w/o disabling the fel?
3. How would i hook a 3pt splitter to the rear of the tractor hydraulics?
4. I am also thinking pto pump, how does a pto pump mount?
5. Looks like it just sits on the shaft. What holds it from spinning around?
6. Are PTO pumps all really $400+? **** that a expensive!

Sorry for the noob questions but looking to pull the trigger on a speeco 3pt hitch and wanted to adapt it to my tractor. Acording to the speeco literature @ 5gpm the splitter with take 28 sec for full stroke. I am just using this for my own personal use so having 10 or 15 sec cycle times arent a must. I'll probably try it out on the tractor hydraulics first and if its painfully slow then i will think about adding a pto pump....

 

[hbaird]

I too looked at getting a 3pth Speeco splitter. After reading many comments on the advantages of standalone I bought a standalone from TSC. The machine is faster than the 3pth would have been and I can leave it where I need it next and still have my tractor free.
hbaird

 

[David_Kb7uns]

Having had a Speeco splitter for a few years before having a tractor I always wondered how the three point model would work and learned that after getting a tractor I was well ahead of the game . By having the standalone splitter I am not wearing out an expensive motor or hydraulic pump. I can find the splitter pumps for less than $200 new and motors for the $300-$500 range depending on quality and options. Now this is probably better then any pump on a tractor that can cost a whole lot more plus you are not putting time on a $3000-$4000 engine. The splitter uses cheaper hydraulic fluid and not SUDT and you are not contaminating your hydraulics everytime you hook it up. The most important thing that I have learned is that when I start a splitting session the thing works hard and gets things hot and I have learned one of the major contributers to hydraulic failures besides dirt is heat and with the BX tractors you share the same fluid as a very expensive hydro unit. So the standalone is faster, better for tractor and I use the tractor to feed the splitter the rounds with as in Oregon we get some good sized trees to split up(over 48 inches across). The Speeco splitters are some of best I have seen around and I split about eight cords ayear,but the newer ones are getting smaller tanks on them limiting the area to cool the oil with but if you give them breaks when they get hot and warm them up when cold and keep the filters and oil clean and changed they will last a normal person a long time. If you really want to use the trtactor to power the splitter try a PTO pump as the BX pump is too slow but the PTO pump is only single stage and you loose the advantage of the dual stage splitter pumps.

David Kb7uns

 

[Mustangous]

Yeah guys, thanks for the input but I have searched and know the advantages of a standalone over a 3pt. That really wasnt my original questions.

I got a smokin deal on the speeco 3pt setup today with hoses so i wanted to try it out the way it is to see how it operates before i add a pto pump or convert it to a stand alone. I am not splitting wood for a living, or in any hurry to split wood. I am cutting a good amount of trees down in my 1.5 acre yard. I dont burn a lot of wood or as much as i want to in a year. I really like the amount of space this unit takes up, as space is an issue for me. Also, now noone could ask to use to borrow it.

As for heating up, i think between this unit being slow and me taking my time, heat should not be an issue. Not sure how i will contaminate my hydraulics as long as i keep up with my maintance and just keep the quick connect fittings clean and covered when not in use. By the way the kubota dealer just had their way with me! $45 for a set of quick connects! So i will try and run the splitter and see if it is up to the task or not. If I am not satisfied than I will think about other options, either add a pto pump or make it a stand alone. I already have a 10hp ready for donation from a chipper that i dont like to use. But i got it for cheap so i will see how it works first before i invest time and more money into it.

I have very little experience with tractors and pto's, so i have no clue on how the pumps connect to the pto. What keeps the pto pumps from spininng around when the pto is engaged? (question 4 & 5)
I have read that the BX24 hydraulics put out 6.3 gpm's, but this is not at the rear hydraulics and am curious what is (question 1). Their seems to be conflicting numbers around here. Maybe because some are quoting the bx22, 23, and 24?

Troy

 

[kennyd]

1. I know the rear hydraulics gpm on a bx24 is low, but what is the actual number?

I think somewhere between 2-3 GPM. Splitter will be VERY slow at those numbers, but you already know that...

2. Would there be a better place to hook it up with quick fittings w/o disabling the fel?

Doesn't the BX24 include a backhoe? If so, the you should hook the splitter to the powerbeyond loop that you couple back together when you remove the hoe.

3. How would i hook a 3pt splitter to the rear of the tractor hydraulics?

It just plumb's in series with the PB loop just like the hoe does.

4. I am also thinking pto pump, how does a pto pump mount?

5. Looks like it just sits on the shaft. What holds it from spinning around?

I does just hang on the PTO stubout. There is a bar or chain that connects to the drawbar to prevent rotation.

6. Are PTO pumps all really $400+? **** that a expensive!

Yes, and Yes

 

[IslandManMitch]

The couple of pto pumps I have seen were just as KennyD said "chained".

 

[Mustangous]

It just plumb's in series with the PB loop just like the hoe does.

How do i know which is suppy and return?

Great thanks guys for the information!!!

 

[kennyd]

Not sure on the KUB's, JD clearly marks them...

 

[Mustangous]

Not sure on the KUB's, JD clearly marks them...

Mine arent marked, but i had to look in the manual to figure it out. Also I found the manual says that the rear gpm are 3.7.

Here is my link to it and 2 videos for someone looking for an actual demonstration on it on a scut.....

SpeeCo Splitter on a BX24

 

[kennyd]

Great video! That will sure come in handy as a reference in the future