Calcium in tires, no longer a fan......

[Luke'sScreenName]

I had assumed Rimgard was the residual AFTER the commodity (sugar) had be removed and sold. Anyone know? I bet it's not sweet!

 

[KYErik]

Here is the MSDS: Rim Guard Material Safety Data Sheet - Rim Guard - Liquid Tire Ballast

Looks like it could be about 33% sugar (organic solids) and about 40% water but there are some other things in there (compounds and inorganics). Color/odor are described as dark brown/musty chocolate. Sounds like a taste test is warranted

 

[sleepybozo]

A while back, I tried diluting -50F RV antifreeze as an experiment.
I would have been happy with a 0F result.
Tried 1/4 RV to 3/4 water, 1/2 RV to 1/2 water, 1 RV to 1 water, 1 RV to 1/2 water.
NOTHING worked!
WWF -50F (or -40F) is the cheapest way to go, except for used auto anti freeze, and that is an animal attracting pure poison.
WWF is definitely not potable (contains methanol), but animals are not attracted to it.

The coldest temp I've observed here in 25 years was 14 deg F. My freezer is consistently between 0 and -3 deg F so I figured that was plenty cold enough for my purposes. I tried the same experiment you did, ending with straight RV anti-freeze. In all cases the RV anti-freeze turned to slush, but never froze solid. After studying the label, I found it's only claim was it wouldn't break pipes. So I concluded that whatever they used for anti-freeze stayed "loose" enough to push through the pipes (in case you wanted to use the vehicle during the winter), but wouldn't freeze solid and expand which is what causes the pipes to break. Not knowing if the crystals formed in the slush were sharp enough to damage tires, and considering the cost, I decided to pass. I got some WWF (can't remember if it was -40 or -10) and performed the same test. About 30% WWF kept the mix from freezing in my freezer, so that's what I used, cutting cost some over straight WWF even, and a *little* heavier than straight WWF. It works for me.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Here is the MSDS: Rim Guard Material Safety Data Sheet - Rim Guard - Liquid Tire Ballast

Looks like it could be about 33% sugar (organic solids) and about 40% water but there are some other things in there (compounds and inorganics). Color/odor are described as dark brown/musty chocolate. Sounds like a taste test is warranted

I couldn't see sugar specified? Wouldn't insoluble proteins and starches also be "organic solids?" :confused3:

 

[fried1765]

The coldest temp I've observed here in 25 years was 14 deg F. My freezer is consistently between 0 and -3 deg F so I figured that was plenty cold enough for my purposes. I tried the same experiment you did, ending with straight RV anti-freeze. In all cases the RV anti-freeze turned to slush, but never froze solid. After studying the label, I found it's only claim was it wouldn't break pipes. So I concluded that whatever they used for anti-freeze stayed "loose" enough to push through the pipes (in case you wanted to use the vehicle during the winter), but wouldn't freeze solid and expand which is what causes the pipes to break. Not knowing if the crystals formed in the slush were sharp enough to damage tires, and considering the cost, I decided to pass. I got some WWF (can't remember if it was -40 or -10) and performed the same test. About 30% WWF kept the mix from freezing in my freezer, so that's what I used, cutting cost some over straight WWF even, and a *little* heavier than straight WWF. It works for me.

Thanks!
I have a second tractor to do, so think I will experiment in my freezer first .... with 50% water/50% WWF. (I though I tried that before, but don't remember)
50/50 would cut my cost for WWF in half too!

 

[KYErik]

I couldn't see sugar specified? Wouldn't insoluble proteins and starches also be "organic solids?" :confused3:

No- the MSDS didn't specify the 33% organic solids portion was sugars- but I thought it COULD be sugar (sucrose and starch) based on the smell (musty chocolate), the warning to avoid oxidizers and the source (sugar beets). Good point that proteins could also be part of that 33%.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

I was hoping someone would do the math for me since it's not one of my strong points, I went to the same school as Ma and Pa Kettle did. 60 lbs/tire is quite a difference I think.

Isn't it 104lbs per tire? Maybe I can't math?

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

No- the MSDS didn't specify the 33% organic solids portion was sugars- but I thought it COULD be sugar (sucrose and starch) based on the smell (musty chocolate), the warning to avoid oxidizers and the source (sugar beets). Good point that proteins could also be part of that 33%.

Starches aren't sugars but I understand your point.:drink:

 

[Oldpath05]

I don't think so but what can certainly change is the mix ratio. Somebody may have mixed your solution with a lot of the CaCl powder. I had calcium for 28 yrs and never changed a valve stem. What wrecked mine was using my tractor for logging and always knocking off a stem or two. The calcium that settled between the rim and the tube eventually created a dime size hole that I had a local welder tig up for 10 bucks. Dressed up and prepped the rims right good and back in went the calcium. I also welded stem guards on.

Mix ratio, <<that makes sense to me especially seeings how you never had valve core problems 28 years.

When I had my brand new tires filled and put on couple years ago, about two days later my son was using the tractor for clearing some trees so he could build a house, he hit something just right, he said the calcium shot out 20 ft., he spent most of the day getting the tire fixed. I come home from work and go wow, if that had happen way down in the woods that would not be good. I didn't dare to weld on the rims after tires are mounted so the following weekend I made these things, they clamp on with 2 bolts so they can be taken off if needed to.

 

[Oldpath05]

Isn't it 104lbs per tire? Maybe I can't math?

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