Can I tow my Case 580D w a 1-ton pkup, and what trailer would I need?

[tcartwri]

We used an F550 to haul a 12,000 lb tractor on a triple axle gooseneck. Truck handled the load with ease even though it was near its rated GCWR. The trailer on the other hand did not. Broken rims, broken axle, ripped out anchor point, blown sidewalls, etc... Brakes and bearings had to rebuilt or replaced every year. Had the trailer push me through an intersection in the rain, plus a couple of close calls due to marginal braking. Class A required.

Replaced it with a 4400 IH, and a 20t tag. Class AZ required.

 

[Soundguy]

not even close to a farm implement? that's a subjective statement methinks.

my 450 drw and gn trailer and TLB travel between my 2 farm properties all the time. have even taken it a couple cities north to help dig out a fence line for a buddy.

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a78052.jpg

I cant imagine anyone pulling a backhoe behind a pickup not being pulled over for CDL check. Its not even close to a farm implement especially running in the middle of town.

in my neck of the woods you'd need CDL regardless of 26K rules due to the commercial nature of the equipment being towed.

as to the OP question. a properly equipped 20K GN is what youll need and should be within limits of most 1 ton dualies

 

[schmism]

clearly a tractor with add-on implements. not far fetched to think this belongs on a farm.

is clearly a piece of equipment marketed toward the commercial construction industry.

 

[springer]

I am glad you are looking into the truck requirements you will need. Just remember to get the right power unit that will be safe for you and the public. Good luck.

Hi,

Thank you in advance if any of you have an answer to my dilemma...

I need to be able to drive my Case 580D backhoe around to various demolition sites all over the place. I cannot get a straight answer from any living human at a dealer, because they all want to sell me something.

The Case 580D weighs 13,500#, and I have a 300# ditch witch that needs to run w the hoe, so let's call it a 14,000# load. Many guys around here in WV have claimed that they have moved this type of equipment with a dully 1-ton truck and an appropriate trailer, but again, no straight answers.
I know that I am limited to 26,000# without a CDL, and that is what I'm trying to avoid because of the various costs involved once I need a CDL.

So it all breaks down to this: what is the minimum truck and trailer combo I need to haul this rig all over the country if need be, regardless of whether it is a 1-ton truck or not. If I absolutely need to go get my CDL, I will, but for the jobs I have, I don't need it to run the equipment, and the insurance costs are a totally different animal if I can keep it under the weight limit.

Again, thank you in advance for any worthwhile answers you may proffer...

 

[Soundguy]

I can tell you 580's are one of the most popular TLB in my area. Way more common to see a 580 variant on a farm than any other tractor hoe combo.

just saying.

very, very usefull tool. We have one at work ( road construction ).. and it's the prime reason why i HAD to get a hoe on my farm... way too usefull when you need one, after playing on one.

My old 1955 tractor with light duty loader and woods 6500 he is no match for a 580 .. but I'm an old tractor guy..

clearly a tractor with add-on implements. not far fetched to think this belongs on a farm.

is clearly a piece of equipment marketed toward the commercial construction industry.

 

[lutt]

I can't believe someone would think a backhoe does not belong on a farm, every row crop and cattle farmer in this country has one whether it is a case, new holland, or John Deere! We use ours every day. All the tractor dealerships in this area sells any one of the said three above, WOW! LUTT

 

[Soundguy]

all the horse and cattle farmers here have hoe's It's the easiest way to bury a large animal when you have one go down.

If I saw a 580 or similar how on a flatbed going down the road in my area, and there were no DOT numbers on the truck.. i would NOT think unlicensed commercial construction guy.. but rather farmer.

On the other hand.. when I see a 16' trailer with expanded metal flooring and 3 weed eaters, a backpack blower, and a ZTR on it pulled by a pickup truck and no DOT numbers. I DO immediately think unlicensed / commercial landscaper / lawn servie guy



those ar ethe ones I WISH dot would stop. I see overloade dand unsafe trailers all the time. and the ones with skid loaders are the worst.. trailer barely good enough for a lawnmowe hauling a skid steer, and load of mulch.. weaving and bouncing all over the road. no lamps or tag.

those are the problem people..

 

[crazyal]

From the CK all the way up to the L models can be found on farms here. Usually they are the older ones that don't command as much money. But a lot of older construction equipment makes it's way to farms. What would be hard to explain would be why you were parked in front of a construction site unloading a backhoe with farm tags on your truck and/ or trailer.

 

[Soundguy]

From the CK all the way up to the L models can be found on farms here. Usually they are the older ones that don't command as much money. But a lot of older construction equipment makes it's way to farms.

a local hay field has an old michigan pay-loader with the bucket cutout and skeletonized into forks for loading hay rolls and squares. old thing.. looks funny. no fops probably somethig like a 75a pug nose and all..

 

[AGRIMAN]

I have a 580 case hoe and it's only purpose is farm use. I bought it use from a local construction company that was hit hard by this wonderful economy. We use it for just about anything you can think of, but to soundguys point, it has buried 7 cows for different neighbors this year.

I have both a 250 & 450 and either will haul it just fine and neither have DOT numbers. When we need to move it, it will go on either the 25ft or the 40ft trailer put by which truck is available at the time. To be honest with you, I don't give much thought to it.

I have had CDL since I was 20 (well back them they were class 5), my son (23) doesn't, but he will put that 40ft trailer anywhere he wants it and then back it out in needed. Around here farm boys learn early and practice often, but I'm sure a lot of things we do around here would give most of you a heartache. That probably comes from being a south GA farm boy.

 

[minner]

Hi,

Thank you in advance if any of you have an answer to my dilemma...

I need to be able to drive my Case 580D backhoe around to various demolition sites all over the place. I cannot get a straight answer from any living human at a dealer, because they all want to sell me something.

The Case 580D weighs 13,500#, and I have a 300# ditch witch that needs to run w the hoe, so let's call it a 14,000# load. Many guys around here in WV have claimed that they have moved this type of equipment with a dully 1-ton truck and an appropriate trailer, but again, no straight answers.
I know that I am limited to 26,000# without a CDL, and that is what I'm trying to avoid because of the various costs involved once I need a CDL.

So it all breaks down to this: what is the minimum truck and trailer combo I need to haul this rig all over the country if need be, regardless of whether it is a 1-ton truck or not. If I absolutely need to go get my CDL, I will, but for the jobs I have, I don't need it to run the equipment, and the insurance costs are a totally different animal if I can keep it under the weight limit.

Again, thank you in advance for any worthwhile answers you may proffer...

I think you could, if done right. You can get 8k tandem single axles on a gooseneck. If the trailer is 5,000lbs plus your 14,000lb load. You be at 19,000 which is under must DRW 1 ton trucks capacity. So that would leave 14250 on the trailer and 4750 on the truck. You "should" be good.

 

[Soundguy]

but to soundguys point, it has buried 7 cows for different neighbors this year.

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that was one of my driving concerns when i got my hoe... big holes for big dead animals...

 

[QRTRHRS]

I remember a conversation I had with my contractor friend a few years back about backhoes and farms. He mentioned that he was getting fewer and fewer farm calls with more and more farmers picking up used hoes that were not up to the demands of daily use where breakdowns are costly but okay for farm use.

I had a T9 Terramite for awhile myself. (I went small thinking it would be an advantage inside the tight barn but it was too small so I sold it) Lately, I just call my neighbor with a Ford 555. (He just drives it over)

So, backhoes on the farm are not unusual. Constant moving between farm properties may start to raise eyebrows location dependent. Two constants though, doing work for others for any money or exchange of goods with a backhoe borders on shaky ground. An accident, no matter where you are could leave you wishing you had done things legal like.

I am not passing judgement on anyone. I just want to remind everyone that just because so and so can and does do it does not mean it is squeaky clean nor without risks.

 

[Diamondpilot]

clearly a tractor with add-on implements. not far fetched to think this belongs on a farm.

is clearly a piece of equipment marketed toward the commercial construction industry.

Around here every farmer has a Backhoe half have a Small Dozer.

Chris

 

[Soundguy]

Around here every farmer has a Backhoe half have a Small Dozer.

Chris

i'd love to have me a small crawler.. especially if it had pto.. like one of them small chinese jobs. If I ever see one locally.. I'm getting it.

 

[Duffster]

in my neck of the woods you'd need CDL regardless of 26K rules due to the commercial nature of the equipment being towed.

Why would it need a CDL regardless of "26k rules"?

 

[Turbys_1700]

Around here in NC the DMV will weigh you if you have a heavy trailer towing with any kind of truck...
Most of the guys around here run weighted tags...
The law states that you must be tagged for the GVWR of the trailer and truck...
With that said I have never known the DMV to ticket anyone without putting the scales under their truck...
In the long run, it may best for you to go ahead and get your commercial license...
Here in NC it is more of a pain in the rear than anything else...
Pass the written test, pay the fees, do your road test, and you are good to go...
More than anything else it is a money maker for the state...

 

[F3506]

I think you could, if done right. You can get 8k tandem single axles on a gooseneck. If the trailer is 5,000lbs plus your 14,000lb load. You be at 19,000 which is under must DRW 1 ton trucks capacity. So that would leave 14250 on the trailer and 4750 on the truck. You "should" be good.

Possible, but doubtful. CDL requirements have to do with what the truck and trailer are rated at, now how much they weigh. Read the sticker on the door panel of the truck, read the sticker on the trailer, add them together and see if you come in at 26k or lower. Most one ton dually's are stickered over 10K. Most newer SRW one tones are stickered at 10k or higher. Ford used to let you order one that was stickered at 9,900 lbs. Don't know if they still do though.

Basically, if you're pulling a trailer with dual tandems or triple singles using a pick up, you're going to exceed the 26,001 lb capacity. Doesn't mean you'll get pulled over, but it's something they can get you for.

 

[Harold_J]

Possible, but doubtful. CDL requirements have to do with what the truck and trailer are rated at, now how much they weigh. Read the sticker on the door panel of the truck, read the sticker on the trailer, add them together and see if you come in at 26k or lower. Most one ton dually's are stickered over 10K. Most newer SRW one tones are stickered at 10k or higher. Ford used to let you order one that was stickered at 9,900 lbs. Don't know if they still do though.

Basically, if you're pulling a trailer with dual tandems or triple singles using a pick up, you're going to exceed the 26,001 lb capacity. Doesn't mean you'll get pulled over, but it's something they can get you for.

Even with the 8K tandem singles trailer minner suggested you can run into trouble with a dually, since most all duallys except very old ones from the 70's are rated over 10K. Yes, you can still order the Ford SRW with 10K rating, also I think Chevy can go 9,900 GVW on the 2500's. So yes, you can run a 16K trailer with a 10K SRW truck and not need the CDL. Whether a 16K trailer is sufficient for the backhoe I don't know, I'm sure others can advise. But if the 16K trailer can work, that would be the simplest way to go. Or loading it onto a 26K straight truck like others have suggested would avoid the need for CDL. If the backhoe can fit on an 82" low pro equipment trailer that would be even better because you can get them with 8K axles and they would be lighter than a deckover.

There are really two separate questions about the OP's situation. (1)Can he do it with a 1-ton truck? and (2)can he stay under CDL weight?. I think he will be close on both of these, especially #2, but it may be possible to do safely and legal.

Also the OP is in WV which unfortunately is one of the states that requires DOT numbers on commercial vehicles over 10K, even if just used in WV. If he goes out of state he will definitely need DOT reg and whatever else goes along with that.