Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them??

   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #61  
It's not just the dealer taking a cut, the mechanic(s) also take a cut in pay. It's not uncommon for a good flat-rate mechanic to get paid for 10-15 hours in an 8 hour day. If all you do is warranty work, you might get paid for 6 hours in that 8 hour day. Maybe less.

How long would you stay at a job if your boss came to you and said we're going to pay you half your normal salary for the next few months?
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #62  
Did any one else note that this is a 6 and a half year old thread?
And the OP was last seen Aug 4, 2015?
Until Williy came along the thread was dead.
I would not let the idiot touch my tractor!
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #63  
But we got to hear from all the yahoos that think they know everything about tractor dealerships because they know a little bit about the automotive industry.
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #64  
Did any one else note that this is a 6 and a half year old thread?
And the OP was last seen Aug 4, 2015?
Until Williy came along the thread was dead.
Why does it matter how old this thread is? The concepts being discussed are as relevant today as they were 6, 10 or 20 years ago.
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #65  
But we got to hear from all the yahoos that think they know everything about tractor dealerships because they know a little bit about the automotive industry.
For the benefit of us yahoos, please share your sage wisdom about the differences.
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #66  
For the benefit of us yahoos, please share your sage wisdom about the differences.
Most significant is there are very few tractor shop technicians paid on a flat rate schedule.
Because of that, generally speaking flat rate repair times for tractors and related equipment are more geared to saving manufacturers cash in the form of warranty labor reimbursements to dealers than reflecting real world repair times.
A good example is a recent factory recall to replace all 3 deck spindle assemblies on a group of 48" and 52" zero turn mowers. The manufacturer pays 1/2 hour labor start to finish.
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #67  
Guess I'm one of the yahoos, was just trying to shed a little light from the other side from experience. In our dealership our customer's come first in line, visiting owners next. Good enough to fix it for free but not good enough to buy from us? Manufacturer pays flat rate for warranty repairs regardless of how long it takes. Some visiting owners become paying customers out of warranty, that is true. We don't blow off VO's but would rather perform retail repairs money wise. Just one Yahoo's opinion. By the way one of my customers has an LS franchise and hates their warranty reimbursement policies. Won't work on tractors he does not sell unless it's customer pay.
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #68  
It's not just the dealer taking a cut, the mechanic(s) also take a cut in pay. It's not uncommon for a good flat-rate mechanic to get paid for 10-15 hours in an 8 hour day. If all you do is warranty work, you might get paid for 6 hours in that 8 hour day. Maybe less.
I'm confused about the terminology. "Flat rate" normally means that the employees gets a set salary each week, for a set number of hours per week. Let's say he works a 38 hour week and gets $2,000 per week. It makes no difference to the employee if there is not work to do and he can sit around drinking coffee or he may choose to do something more productive such as tidy the workshop. Either way, at the end of the week he is going to get $2,000 deposited into his bank account (ignoring tax, etc.).
If the work to be done earns his boss less then the boss suffers, not the employee.

On the other hand, if the employee is paid according to the "billable hours", then the situation is as you describe. If 1 hour is designated to the job and he can do two of those jobe in one hour, he earns twice as much. Likewise, if the job takes him two hours, he earns half as much. From what I understand, in most cases the allocated times are very much in favour of the dealership and employee, at the expense of the customer.

How long would you stay at a job if your boss came to you and said we're going to pay you half your normal salary for the next few months?

Seriously? How often would it happen that the only work being done is warranty work? What percentage of a dealership workshop's work is warranty work? If it's excessive, then the product is crap and the dealer should seek a different product to sell.
I understand that a dealer might lose a bit on warranty work, but look at how much he is overcharging the customer for all the regular worker. By your own admission the customer is getting charged for "10-15 hours work in an 8 hour day". In other words, for a job that actually take 1 hour to do the customer is being charged for 1.5 hours, maybe more. Who is being ripped off here?

For the dealer and the mechanic to wear a bit of a reduced income for the warranty work when they make exhorbitant profits using the manufacturers' specified times for the non-warranty work would seem like a reasonable situation. It's a case of swings and roundabouts.
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #69  
Definition of flat rate in automotive shops both franchise and independent is technician gets paid 2.8 hours to do a job whether it takes 2.2 because of his skill level or tool investment, or 3.5 due to lack of experience or proper tools. Factory time for that repair might be 2.2 so you never beat factory book time. Over the course of a month it averages out a skilled tech with good tools can beat book time by 20-25% and get 5 weeks pay for 160 hours of clock time. But if that skilled tech with $20,000 in tools in a $5,000 tool box get assigned warranty jobs he or she will be lucky to get paid 140 hours for his 160 hours he spent working.
 
   / Can ls dealers refuse warranty work on tractor not purchased from them?? #70  
Two most common pay plans for techs are flat rate, which is a straight commission per hour of book time produced. Other method is salary plus where tech gets paid a base monthly salary plus a percentage of labor dollars generated. Flat rate was the standard for years, no work no pay. Salary plus lessens the blow of warranty reimbursement rates and guarantees the tech a base salary. About 60% of auto shops are flat rate, especially independents since there is no warranty work.
 
 
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