Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay?

   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #481  
I've said since the beginning of Concealed Carry Permits the training should include some form of simulation with blank rounds used against an armed assaulter. The student should experience and learn how to react when being assaulted by gunfire. If nothing like that is conducted you have armed a person with no experience in how to control the rounds they discharge. We discussed that theory earlier here, "Quality versus Quantity".

I think the training you experienced was much better than what's conducted today.

I believe from listening to his story he knew how to load with one hand. What he described was the mental process of realizing his left arm (he is left handed) was hanging uselessly and the second or two of him not returning fire as he was being shot at until he mentally adjusted and overcame the handicap. I think all of us would have struggled at that moment. This was an intense, quick, close range gun battle at which he recalled hearing the shooter at one time say "You got me".

I was just now searching again for this story. Hopefully Iowa Public Radio will answer my email request with results. It's a chilling account. The shooter's truck was found not far away but the person disappeared and was never saw again. I hope he walked into the wilderness and died from his wounds.

I agree. He was probably having to clear his mind a moment and draw on some old training and reload handicapped. I'm glad he knew how to do it. I remember we all found it odd that we had to do it untill the instructor told us the ' you may have to do it hiding in the dark' and you need to be able to do it without looking either because it is dark, or because you are keeping lookout, and thus you needed to know how to do it by feel.".

That instructor gave us some darn good training in my opinion. He was old school for sure. He said he had carried a 38 as his service weapon... they didn't have 15 round magazines and what not. they had 5-6 rounds and a couple speed loaders and they had to hit what they were shooting at ;)
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #482  
I've actually been OK with 911 operators.

Just so that Ovrszd doesn't think I'm hating on law enforcement all the time, here are some positive stories I'll relate.

Back after i had divorced my first wife, one day i get a knock on the door. Peep thru the door eyeglass... Some guy I don't know. rough looking. I retrieve my colt anaconda 44mag and have to folded in a newspaper.

Guy pushes in when I open the door. ( wow.. needed a door chain on that door.. my bad! )

Turns out he sold my ex-wife drugs and she wasn't paying and he wanted it from me. ( yes we had been long divorced and no I wasn't involved in any of the activity ). Anyway, he wouldn't leave.. so I called 911 and the operator was real nice and stayed on the phone with me while me and the drug user sat their in my living room waiting for a deputy to arrive .

In fact, a couple deputies and a detective arrived. They were all real nice. No one said anything about my revolver that I had sat on the floor when the first deputy arrived. All the nice LEO's escorted mr badguy outside and made him feel real uncomortable for quite a while. He had a rental car.. I recall them calling the car company and asking for records of how often they rented the car to the drug dealer. In the end.. The police were pretty nice.. told me I'd never see the guy again.. and they were correct. I ended up moving a couple years later ANYWAY.. but they were right.. he never came back. As a bonus.. the 911 operator even called my work for me to tell them I'd be late getting in. Made for a great story when i got to work!

Lets see.. did have one break in 30 years ago? I left for work, forgot my lunch, came back home to get it.. noticed doors open and some stuff moved in the house, retrieved a large handgun.. I remember it was a revolver.. don't know if it was my anaconda or not.. but immaterial.. anyway, peered in stepdaughters room that is normally closed, but door was open.. say a huge person trying to hide under bed! backed out of room, called cops!

Cops arrived.. 911 was still on the phone with me.. I told them front door is open.. please come on in, I'm the guy 5'4 white guy with long hair in the hallway holding a phone to my ear and a big silver revolver.

Police officer arrived, we made eye contact, he walked over, I hung up with 911 telling them officer arrived. told him what I saw asked him what to do. he said wait here. I still had my handgun aiming at the floor. he pulled out his peper spray and walked into the room sized the situation up, quietly put his peper spray up, unholstered his weapon, aimed at the bad guy and ordered him up then backed him out of the room.. we left the hallway to the living room.. he cuffed him and sat him on the couch. ( huge bad guy by the way.. looked like a football player.. ) Police officer actually told me to 'watch him' and that he was going back into the room. so the officer went back into the room and I stood there with my big revolver and the 6'7" 320# guy on the couch and what do you know.. a minute later the police officer comes back out with a 4'5" guy weighing about 95 #, and cuffed him. Said "he had been hiding in the closet... good thing you called this in and didn't enter the room"

Happy ending.. they left in the car cuffed. Only that one officer was there. we talked for a few minutes.. he mentioned I might want to get a security system if I could afford it. I agreed. he left. he was a pretty cool / nice guy.

Lets see.. another happy ending.. i may have mentioned this one before.. so I'll condense it. I was driving down the hiway, turned off to a side road.. motorcycle officer motions me to the side. speed on hiway was 55, 30 on side road. I actually pulled over to the side of the grass, 10' BEFORE the 30mph sign. I was mentally prepaired to point out that i ddidn't think the speed had changed YET. Never got that far. Officer walks over asks for license., I hand him my license and CCP. he asks if I'm armed, I respond yes, a sig p230 in the console. Everything changes then. He asks me how I like it, and mentions he was thinking of getting one. I said I loved mine, and then asked if he wanted to see it. He said sure, at which point I told him ok, im reaching for it, please don't shoot me.. pulled the gun / holster out of the console, pulled the gun out, removed the magazine, opened the action, and then handed the gun, then magazine then holster over and told the officer to check it out . he looked the gun over clipped the holster on,, manipulated the gun and magazine a bit, chambered a round, removed mag, cleared the chamber relaoded the loose round to the mag, handed it back to me and I put it right back in the console. Said he liked it and that did it, he was getting one. A that point he said, oh by the way, I;m not writing you a ticket. ;) He gave me a warning and I left. At that point I didn't argue the warning even though i was before the stop sign.

Last one. This one.. I may have deserved a ticket.. but I feel the officer was partially responsible. Happy ending though.. and looking at it now.. it must have looked pretty darn funny to any bystanders watching.

I was on north US 27 it was late.. probably late enough for headlamps but not dark.
I was in the right lane, checked the rear view and side view mirrors to do a change of lanes to the left lane. All was clear, there was a dark car WAY back in the left lane. I changed lanes. heck.. even signaled!

Ok.. turns out dark car was a state trooper.. no headlamps.. but again.. it was right at dusk.. and maybee he didn't need them. anyway.. turns out he was flying low and maybee doing 80-90mph.. because when i looked back and he was real far away.. a couple seconds later he was apparently REAL close, and when i changed lanes he had to do essentially a 'brown alert / stand on the brakes' panic stop that took a few thousand miles use off his brake pads I guess. Lights went on and I pulled over into a Pinch-A-Penny parking lot ( that's how long ago this was ).

Police officer stormed over and said. 'get out of the car'
I got out and he walked me about 10' away from the car. ( I had my first wife and stepdaughter in the car ).

At that point he started chewing me up one side and down the other. He was using words i wasn't even sure what they were... :) That officer took his hat off and threw it on the pavement while he was chewing me out. He called me every name in the book.. questioned my heritage and gave me his opinion of my driving skills. I was pretty much in awe / shock and stood there mouth closed, arms down at my side, eyes big, and just let him work thru it. After about what was only really 2 minutes of this, he grabbed his hat told me I could go and then walked back to his car and drove off. At the time I was a bit shocked.. but now i can laugh at it.

I never thought that about you.

All great stories. All examples of "who's in charge" and in each it was the LEO. The last one the LEO might have been slightly out of control of his emotions. But it happens. :)
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #483  
I agree. He was probably having to clear his mind a moment and draw on some old training and reload handicapped. I'm glad he knew how to do it. I remember we all found it odd that we had to do it untill the instructor told us the ' you may have to do it hiding in the dark' and you need to be able to do it without looking either because it is dark, or because you are keeping lookout, and thus you needed to know how to do it by feel.".

That instructor gave us some darn good training in my opinion. He was old school for sure. He said he had carried a 38 as his service weapon... they didn't have 15 round magazines and what not. they had 5-6 rounds and a couple speed loaders and they had to hit what they were shooting at ;)

I've reloaded enough times that I had to count the empty mags to know approximately how much ammo I had expended. Your trained instincts better be spot on. Then as the adrenaline escapes it actually becomes funny. :confused2:
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #484  
I never thought that about you.

All great stories. All examples of "who's in charge" and in each it was the LEO. The last one the LEO might have been slightly out of control of his emotions. But it happens. :)

All true stories.

That last one. I remember when he walked over to the car and said. " Get out of the car". I thought to myself... 'uh-oh...this is going to hurt'.

Then when he started and his hat came off and he threw that hat to the ground, I thought " Oh. shi* ".

Like I said. I can laugh about it now.

The 2 guys with the maglights.. I thought that was quite uncalled for... at least with the state trooper and the hat.. i had actually maybee deserved it a bit..
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #485  
The 2 guys with the maglights.. I thought that was quite uncalled for... at least with the state trooper and the hat.. i had actually maybee deserved it a bit..

I agree.
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay?
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Amen to that! I know folks who literally have 3-5 different CCWs because some states recognize one but not others.
It's crazy that something it 100% legal in one state is a felony in another. And because about everything these days requires a state "license"- from doctor to architect to barber and everything in between- this could radically change someone's life. Try getting (or keeping) any of the above licenses with a felony on your record. Btw in CA (my home state) if you were to be found with say a loaded 15 round mag (stock size) in a Glock that is 15 felony charges. Probably reduced but that is the law as written. Then in Idaho that is 100% legal. One mistake or tired moment driving from place to place and boom- game over. Sad
Anyone here Have Sig Sauer P365X 9mm. Was at Gun shop good small hand gun according to gun shop owner . He said ." Best concealable gun he had for sale." I've never seen one of these. Any info, I will appreciate . Actually I don't even know where and who manufactures this piece. Is it worth seriously Buying??

ALL Have good evening, BE HEALTHY AND SAFE !! Best to ALL ........COFFEEMAN>
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #487  
Anyone here Have Sig Sauer P365X 9mm. Was at Gun shop good small hand gun according to gun shop owner . He said ." Best concealable gun he had for sale." I've never seen one of these. Any info, I will appreciate . Actually I don't even know where and who manufactures this piece. Is it worth seriously Buying??

ALL Have good evening, BE HEALTHY AND SAFE !! Best to ALL ........COFFEEMAN>
Sig is one of the top notch firearms manufacturers, based in Germany but they have U.S. headquarters and manufacturing facilities in N.H. Well respected in military and law enforcement. I have several older Sigs, solid reliable guns.
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #488  
Sig is one of the top notch firearms manufacturers, based in Germany but they have U.S. headquarters and manufacturing facilities in N.H. Well respected in military and law enforcement. I have several older Sigs, solid reliable guns.
I own two. Same model number on both. 40 cal for me, 9mm for my wife.

Wife got a 9mm baretta for herself, but was more comfortable with my sig.

So she carried that when traveling by herself or with her sisters.

So I picked her up a 9mm for valentines day a couple years ago.
 
   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #489  
Sig is one of the top notch firearms manufacturers, based in Germany but they have U.S. headquarters and manufacturing facilities in N.H. Well respected in military and law enforcement. I have several older Sigs, solid reliable guns.
Your comment is incorrect, which I have no doubt that Sig Sauer INC (USA) uses as a subliminal marketing ploy.

German company is Sig Sauer GmbH
USA company is Sig Sauer Inc

Please note however, both are owned by the same holding company, L&O Holdings, which also owns Swiss Arms AG, which makes the imported Sig rifles.

LONG time ago they (Sig) were imported into Tysons Corner Virginia. Then they built a plant in NH to help with production in the US.

Honestly, I don't hold Sig Sauer Inc in high regard, but that's just me. It's almost impossible to screw up a 220,226,228,229 design made in America. I wouldn't trust the US company as far as I could throw them, and I have no doubt some who work for Sig Sauer GmbH feel the same way, but hey, they're all owned by the same holding company, so negative words only hurt the holding company.

The reason why the American company is "respected" by the military is because they got some contracts. Guns are produced in the US, no overseas. Getting a military contract doesn't mean you have the best product out there. They also have a fabulous marketing department.

That said, I'll never sell my German made Sigs. Have sold off a couple of the US rifles and would never buy another one.
 
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   / Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay? #490  
Your comment is incorrect, which I have no doubt that Sig Sauer INC (USA) uses as a subliminal marketing ploy.

German company is Sig Sauer GmbH
USA company is Sig Sauer Inc

Please note however, both are owned by the same holding company, L&O Holdings, which also owns Swiss Arms AG, which makes the imported Sig rifles.

LONG time ago they (Sig) were imported into Tysons Corner Virginia. Then they built a plant in NH to help with production in the US.

Honestly, I don't hold Sig Sauer Inc in high regard, but that's just me. It's almost impossible to screw up a 220,226,228,229 design made in America. I wouldn't trust the US company as far as I could throw them, and I have no doubt some who work for Sig Sauer GmbH feel the same way, but hey, they're all owned by the same holding company, so negative words only hurt the holding company.

The reason why the American company is "respected" by the military is because they got some contracts. Guns are produced in the US, no overseas. Getting a military contract doesn't mean you have the best product out there. They also have a fabulous marketing department.

That said, I'll never sell my German made Sigs. Have sold off a couple of the US rifles and would never buy another one.
Honestly i haven't followed firearms closely in the past half dozen years, but I am not aware of any significant reliability issues with Sig firearms. i would trust an out of the box Sig for reliability long before i would trust a Kimber, Colt, Taurus, Browning or Springfield. As you say the 200 series are hard to screw up, but some companies have risen to meet similar challenges. My Sig p 220 (West German), 226, 228, 230 have been very reliable guns.
 

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