Case-IH jx95 vs JD 5420 vs Kub M9000

[mark.r]

The MF 596 that I ended up buying doesn't come with a shuttle trans and I didn't think I would miss it. It turns out that I wish I had gone with a shuttle again.

Meaning that the 596 is a mechanical shuttle and you would rather have hydro or electronic shuttle?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Talked with a dealer yesterday. He says Fiat who owns case ih and new holland will be phasing out the blue color for new holland. The tractors will say new holland but be red instead of blue.

I know Fiat use to be a dull maroon before but I do not see them getting rid of blue. In Europe where Ford has a strong heritage in the tractor community the last thing they would want to do is make their tractors blend in with McCormick, Massey Ferguson and Case-IH. Blue only has Landini to compete with for recognition and Landini doesn't have a huge marketshare. Same with the US market, Blue is Ford/New Holland. Changing to red would not do any good here.

I will say this, CNH would sooner get rid of one brand and go with one color that way before they would paint two brands the same color. But CNH is like Agco and no one really knows what they are going to do until they are just about ready to do it.

 

[mark.r]

I know Fiat use to be a dull maroon before but I do not see them getting rid of blue. In Europe where Ford has a strong heritage in the tractor community the last thing they would want to do is make their tractors blend in with McCormick, Massey Ferguson and Case-IH. Blue only has Landini to compete with for recognition and Landini doesn't have a huge marketshare. Same with the US market, Blue is Ford/New Holland. Changing to red would not do any good here.

I will say this, CNH would sooner get rid of one brand and go with one color that way before they would paint two brands the same color. But CNH is like Agco and no one really knows what they are going to do until they are just about ready to do it.

I was getting ready to ask the same question but Robert addressed it for me. I simply can't seem them ignoring the Ford heritage completely.

 

[chh]

Meaning that the 596 is a mechanical shuttle and you would rather have hydro or electronic shuttle?

No shuttle at all. First and reverse line up and it is a quick right hand shift to do loader work, but its not a shuttle. My MF 481 that I traded in was a mechanical shuttle (left hand) and slightly faster as you could move the lever while still rolling some. The 596 needs to be stopped or nearly so when shifting. That is one real advantage to the hydraulic shift trans, the shuttles shift is easier, faster and more forgiving of the tractor being in motion(from what little I have run one of that style). Truthfully for the amount of repetitive loader work I do on a daily basis the shuttle probably would not be worth the extra cost, but some days....

 

[radman1]

Tomorrow I will order a Case-IH Maxuum 125 cab with MFWD. It is the last day for 0% interest for 48 months. (My guess they will probably offer the 0% in April since JD is still offering low financing but I won't take the chance.) Currently have a IH 1086 (about 120 pto hp) and Case IH 8930 (about 180 pto hp). Plan to trade in the JD 5300 if I don't sell it outright. Later this year or next year will replace/trade the 8930 with a 230-240 hp MFWD tractor and also probably sell the 1086. I stepped up to the Maxuum 125 to better match the replacement of the IH 1086. Plan on stepping up to 16 row planter and the 8930 which is 2 WD may be marginal.

It will be about 4 months to get the Maxuum, build and ship from England. The Maxuum will have 125 hp, 18.4x42" rear tires, 14.9x30 front tires, FEL, rear and front wts, 16x16 semipowershift transmission, shuttle, bar axle, air seat and 3 rear remotes.

In my search, I went to several dealers over a 100 mile area as well as looked in the tractor locators such as Fastline, Tractor house, Equipment locator etc.. Amazed at how few tractors are on the lots for JD or Case IH. Tractor/equipment sales have been phenomenal and inventory is depleted for new equipment or late model equipment.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Well, congrats on the new tractor. I will say your choice for a "utility" tractor to replace the JD sure did grow as your search progressed. Are you sure this one isn't going to be too big for your use? I like the idea of being able to use multiple tractors for the same jobs but I can't see myself getting rid of either my 1920 or my TN loader tractors. They both have their spots where they excel but then again I can use both of them for plenty of other jobs also.

I do know I don't want a loader tractor bigger then the TN as the TN is useful for a lot of jobs but kind of clumsy in tight quarters. Any bigger and it would be a field loader.

 

[mark.r]

I do know I don't want a loader tractor bigger then the TN as the TN is useful for a lot of jobs but kind of clumsy in tight quarters. Any bigger and it would be a field loader.

This is one reason why I said "no" when the dealer ask me would I be trading in my DK45 when I bought a larger tractor. The DK is perfect for stall work and tight paddack work and with loader that can handle 2800lbs it can do all I need it to around the farm.

 

[chh]

Congrats on the new tractor order. You sure took a couple of steps up from the JX 95. Sounds like you have a plan going and I hope you enjoy the new tractors.

 

[radman1]

Well, congrats on the new tractor. I will say your choice for a "utility" tractor to replace the JD sure did grow as your search progressed. Are you sure this one isn't going to be too big for your use? I like the idea of being able to use multiple tractors for the same jobs but I can't see myself getting rid of either my 1920 or my TN loader tractors. They both have their spots where they excel but then again I can use both of them for plenty of other jobs also.

I do know I don't want a loader tractor bigger then the TN as the TN is useful for a lot of jobs but kind of clumsy in tight quarters. Any bigger and it would be a field loader.

Can't really consider the Maxuum 125 as a utility tractor with 10,700 lb nonballasted wt. Add FEL and rear wts, and the weight is closer to 13,000. Not exactly a "clean out the stalls" tractor. I consider it more of a midsize ag tractor. It would be a great baler/hay/ranch tractor. Still have a JD 3720 CUT for the "little" chores and Bobcat S300 skid steer for high production dirt work and tight spaces. The skid steer has really decreased the loader work on the JD 5300 but the SS is poor in the mud. I tend to keep my tractors over 10 years, so the Maxuum should satisfy future needs. We will probably use it on a 1500 gal sprayer and row crops and it should be ideal for those tasks rather than our current 2 WD tractors with duals.
I looked for late model used with 1000-2000 hours but they didn't have warranties and the prices are too close to new. 0% financing for new also makes the price difference less important. In a couple of years the plan is to have a 44 hp JD 3720 MFWD, S300 skid steer with 81 hp, 125 hp Maxuum MFWD and a 240-250 hp MFWD tractor in the stable. We also have the old reliable IH 806 as a back up. The 806 is the pto unit for the augers, grain cart, pulls the seed tender and other miscellaneous chores. Too painful to use in the fields unless have break down!

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I was trying to be sarcastic when I referred to it as a utility

But since you have the skid for tight work around buildings and stuff it makes more sense to me now. I originally thought your 5300 was the small tractor on your farm and replacing that with a 125 horse loader tractor was just a slight upgrade in size and power

I try to buy all my tractors and equipment so that everything can either run or be ran by another. My tractors can all serve double duty on another implement. My implements can generally be ran by multiple tractors. This way if one tractor breaks down I have a spare. The only down side is that I have electronics set up on two tractors for those rare occasions it is needed on the baler.

When I get my new sprayer I will have to set up two tractors to run it for those rare days.

 

[radman1]

Robert in NY
I didn't take it as an offense. Your familar with the larger tractors and know their purpose and capabilities. I ordered the new tractor today. The 42" rear tires seem gigantic on a tractor of its size. About 6' tall tires. The only thing I wish it had was pressure and flow compensated hydraulics on the rear outlets. Handy at times but not critical. Our bigger tractor has that ability. Occassionally is it nice to reduce the flow to 3-8 gpm for hydraulic motors. The pro series of the same model can do that, but costs about 10-12 more for stuff I don't need or care about. I like the JD's, but prices seem to run about 10-15K more for comparable tractor and the rare green paint. I know your a NH man, but Case IH is the best I can do!

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Robert in NY
I didn't take it as an offense. Your familar with the larger tractors and know their purpose and capabilities. I ordered the new tractor today. The 42" rear tires seem gigantic on a tractor of its size. About 6' tall tires. The only thing I wish it had was pressure and flow compensated hydraulics on the rear outlets. Handy at times but not critical. Our bigger tractor has that ability. Occassionally is it nice to reduce the flow to 3-8 gpm for hydraulic motors. The pro series of the same model can do that, but costs about 10-12 more for stuff I don't need or care about. I like the JD's, but prices seem to run about 10-15K more for comparable tractor and the rare green paint. I know your a NH man, but Case IH is the best I can do!

My next tractor is most likely going to be red. I like blue but the only reason I have blue tractors was because of my proximity to my NH dealer (2 miles). Since I am no longer happy with their service I am open to every brand as long as I feel confident in the service the dealership will provide. And Case-IH is just a red New Holland so don't feel bad

 

[mark.r]

Robert/Radman, thoughts on the larger MF's . . . say 5400 Series and up? I do like the 5465 and 5470. Had a look at them last weekend, was impressed.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Robert/Radman, thoughts on the larger MF's . . . say 5400 Series and up? I do like the 5465 and 5470. Had a look at them last weekend, was impressed.

I have a thead somewhere ( I think in the ag forum) talking about the engine options between the 5465 and 5470. I have no real world experience with that tractor yet.

 

[mark.r]

I have a thead somewhere ( I think in the ag forum) talking about the engine options between the 5465 and 5470. I have no real world experience with that tractor yet.

I'll look for it. I have the booklet at home and the more I read it, the more I like it. The dealer is about 14 miles from my place which is a good start. They had a 5455 on the lot that I was able to see for size comparison. Good looking machine.

 

[radman1]

Robert/Radman, thoughts on the larger MF's . . . say 5400 Series and up? I do like the 5465 and 5470. Had a look at them last weekend, was impressed.

No real experience with MF. No close MF dealers in my area. Have not looked at them. Mostly Case-IH, JD and a few NH dealers where the farm is located. Nearest NH and MF dealers are about 45 miles away. Rare to see any newer MFs in the fields in my area. Will see more Agco than MF.

 

[EhM8]

I feel those two dealers that refused to sell because the tractor was made in Turkey are ignorant. The JX has a great reputation and has been in Case-IH's lineup for 5-6 years if not more. It isn't a fancy tractor filled with all of the latest toys but it is a solid and reliable tractor. It sounds to me like those dealers just want to see you the higher end models where they might make more money.

Also, Farmall is what Case-IH calls its DX line of compacts. McCormick is a seperate brand owned by Argo with its roots from Case-IH.

I only just learned in the other thread that the Iveco engine in the JX is actually the Cummins 4BT design. My mate got the same advice from a dealer, who wanted to sell him a McCormick MB85 and steered him away from the JX80. He said the JX wasn't a bad tractor, but it had a noisy engine and he wouldn't enjoy using it if he had to spend a lot of time on it.

I was surprised by this. I bought a JX60 just to use to push whole cottonseed (stockfeed) around, and it was a lot better tractor than I expected it to be. I think it depends on expectations as it is Case's budget tractor. It is a fairly high reving engine - peak power at 2500 - and that makes it fairly loud when you are working it hard... but even though it is loud, it is not noisy or rattly engine. I've given it a lot more work than I expected. Put it on the front of a 3 metre, sixteen tyne, tyne drill, and used it to move 1 tonne bulk bags. It's done 500 hours of as heavy work you could expect a 60 hp tactor do, and the only breakdown time I have had with it are punctured tyres (running over a star picket).

I don't know how much more torquey or quieter the perkins engines in the Massey Ferguson 400 series copy tractors are, but compared to my old Belarus, the little JX is a dream to drive - used it with a boom spray on black basalt and it rides surprisingly well for a tractor that seems high - Belarus would throw you all over the place. I looked at the Landini badged Massey at the time I bought mine, but was sold on the JX's isolated platform and lift up bonnet. And from what I've read, the Cummins B series is a fairly reasonable and durable engine.

I am probably going to upgrade to an 80hp tractor with a cab at some stage. I'll probably look at the recently released German made John Deere full frame tractors that are in Australia are designated the 5020 series, the Case JXUs, but I think I could probably live with the JX80, which will probably be 10 to 15 grand AUD cheaper and I know can handle the job.

 

[radman1]

I had to change my order on the Maxuum 125 to the Maxuum 125 Pro model. Dealer/Case ih still gave me the deal without the 3% surcharge since I originally purchased before Apr 1. I needed the pressure/flow compensated hydraulics for a new sprayer. The 1200 gal sprayer, with 85' booms, requires low flow hydraulics. The low flow hydraulics are need for boom control. The booms are unfolded, can be raised/lowered and the the ends of the booms can be raised independantly depending on terraces, ditches, fences etc. The sprayer company says the hydraulics of the fixed displacement/flow Maxuum 125 many not last long if the booms are used a lot with a restrictor to decrease the flow rate. The PRO model was about 8K more. It also adds autoshift road and field modes, 4 valves/cylinder engine, deluxe cab, electronic draft control, speed match, rpm management, a hp boost in pto and road gears and a few other goodies.

 

[JDPN]

I had to change my order on the Maxuum 125 to the Maxuum 125 Pro model. Dealer/Case ih still gave me the deal without the 3% surcharge since I originally purchased before Apr 1. I needed the pressure/flow compensated hydraulics for a new sprayer. The 1200 gal sprayer, with 85' booms, requires low flow hydraulics. The low flow hydraulics are need for boom control. The booms are unfolded, can be raised/lowered and the the ends of the booms can be raised independantly depending on terraces, ditches, fences etc. The sprayer company says the hydraulics of the fixed displacement/flow Maxuum 125 many not last long if the booms are used a lot with a restrictor to decrease the flow rate. The PRO model was about 8K more. It also adds autoshift road and field modes, 4 valves/cylinder engine, deluxe cab, electronic draft control, speed match, rpm management, a hp boost in pto and road gears and a few other goodies.

That's one sweet tractor. Don't forget to write it off during tax time. ""

 

[46pete]

New to this site. I have a 2year old 125 Pro. You should enjoy this tractor. I had a 110U that had problems and the dealer treated my right on the trade for the 125. I'm hoping the Farmall 95 meets my expectations