Cheap storm shelter?

   / Cheap storm shelter? #61  
A 5g bucket with an inch of kerosene in it and s couple inches of water make a toilet with a smell barrier. Add a lid.

Help may come gas in some areas, but not in others. In Charlie, we saw no one personally at our house to help. Private citizens cleared trees off roads the next day.

Then and in 04/05, some areas had no power for 2 weeks.
 
   / Cheap storm shelter? #62  
My thinking is that if you are hit, and you are trapped inside a safe room, it doesn't really matter where you are, people will show up pretty soon. Helicopters will be flying as soon as it's safe and they will zero in on every house that is destroyed or damaged. Then rescue workers, police, fire department personnel will head that way looking for injured people. Having a cell phone inside there with you is a bonus, but who knows if it will still work. Cell towers might be gone too. Having enough supplies to last a day shouldn't be too hard. Probably a bucket for going to the bathroom is going to be the biggest discomfort and embarrassment if it comes to using it. Thinking about that, I'm going to include air freshener to my list of supplies to keep in there after I build it!!! :)

Better to be trapped in hole than wrapped around pole. :)

As long as its dry and you have air, you're good for a couple days till someone finds you.
 
   / Cheap storm shelter? #63  
I didn't see this. Was this in Oklahoma? I wonder why those walls left standing remained standing? Could it be the vent pipes in the walls?

I don't know. They interviewed the kid. I'd like to find that interview again. God only knows, as they say.

Back in the early 80's a tornado came through 3-4 blocks from our house. One house in particular interested me greatly. (here's a link to the house in google street views).

Google Maps

The roof of the top-left floor was ripped off and thrown several hundred yards away. In the rooms upstairs that had the roof removed, the curtains in all the rooms had been sucked into the walls behind the window molding into the space between the wall and window casing. The glass remained in all the windows. The furniture, clothes, carpet, belongings, etc... all stayed in the rooms. It was so strange to see.
 
   / Cheap storm shelter? #66  
I didn't see this. Was this in Oklahoma? I wonder why those walls left standing remained standing? Could it be the vent pipes in the walls?

I would guess the vent pipe(s) and plumbing in the slab and walls helped anchor the walls. Since bathrooms are generally small, the structure of four walls around the room along with intersecting walls helps build a strong structure. Also many bathrooms are on the inside of the house so the outside structural walls take the hit from the winds. An inside bathroom or closet is not likely to have load bearing walls so when the roof goes, and weakens, or takes out the exterior walls, the interior walls are left standing. At least for awhile.

We have a couple rooms in the house that will provide very good storm protection for the smaller tornadoes we have in my county and might work for an F4. And F5? I kinda doubt it.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Cheap storm shelter? #67  
My thinking is that if you are hit, and you are trapped inside a safe room, it doesn't really matter where you are, people will show up pretty soon. Helicopters will be flying as soon as it's safe and they will zero in on every house that is destroyed or damaged. Then rescue workers, police, fire department personnel will head that way looking for injured people. Having a cell phone inside there with you is a bonus, but who knows if it will still work. Cell towers might be gone too. Having enough supplies to last a day shouldn't be too hard. Probably a bucket for going to the bathroom is going to be the biggest discomfort and embarrassment if it comes to using it. Thinking about that, I'm going to include air freshener to my list of supplies to keep in there after I build it!!! :)

I think one of the big advantages to a safe room vs a below grade shelter is that you are more likely to be found if you are trapped in the shelter. One of our concerns with a storm strike on the house is when would help arrive. We are near town and people but our house is isolated and unless some one checked on us we would be screwed if we were trapped in a shelter.

A copter would see the destroyed house but then someone has to check. If one is in a below grade shelter, how would the person checking the house KNOW there was a shelter buried under what remained of the house?

In are large scale disaster, help may be a long time in arriving to simply check the house much less look around enough to know if there is a shelter buried under the debris.

I helped clean up after a tornado a few years ago. The woman's house was strapped down on a foundation but the tornado unzipped the house from the foundation and flipped the house upside down. If there had been a below grade shelter under the flipped over house it would have taken quite some time to get to her. Now, if she had had a shelter she would have survived and since the tornado only hit a few houses, but still managed to kill two people, her family would have known about the below grade shelter and people would have dug her out. In a larger scale disaster this could have taken much longer.

As it was, it took a dozen or so people days to make a dent in the rubble pile and that included using a tractor. It was messy and dangerous work. The victim was found right after the storm had passed which was the only good thing that happened.

A storm shelter needs two ways out. An advantage to a below grade shelter is that it could have a small, crawl tunnel that went a distance from the shelter to minimize the chance the second opening would be blocked. The above ground shelter might have both entrances blocked, even with doors that opened inwards. However, the above ground shelter is more likely to be seen by help even in a rubble pile.

Neither type of shelter is perfect, the have their pro and cons and one has to pick what works best for their circumstances. One should look at the cons and plan accordingly.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Cheap storm shelter? #68  
I wonder how a Hobbit house would survive.

hobbithouse.jpg

Bruce
 
   / Cheap storm shelter? #69  
I wonder how a Hobbit house would survive.

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Bruce

They will do fine with a tornado...

But how well will they work if the Orcs enter the shire? :confused3:

Will a Frodo emerge from a door in a hill and be able to say, "I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them.

:D

Later,
Dan
 
   / Cheap storm shelter? #70  
That's why I'd have the bell grade shelter, not u der the house.
 

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