Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous

[JoelD]

The point of starting this thread was as much awareness as anything.

I still stick to my point of view that a guy riding a motorcycle, while smoking a cigaret, with a little girl on the back is just silly stupid (and dangerous) for a bunch of reasons. Anyone I've mentioned it to has agreed with me.

Haymaker, you bring up a good point about people minding their own business and all the examples of the brutality children face (to be clear you did not link the two together, nor do I think you would ever intend to as a loving parent).

If less people "minded their own business" I'm convinced there'd be less of this brutality that would be able to be committed, particularly to the point of completing the act.

If I saw someone abusing your child my guarantee to you is I'd step in and I wish more people could make the same guarantee to me.

The thought of someone being aware of brutality to a child and doing nothing makes my and should make everyone's (parent or not) blood boil, yet it happens every day. No one can convince me that no one, other than the scumbag perpetrators knew that that woman was pimping out her 5 year ond daughter, or otherwise puting her in harms way.

My final point being, and I'd not thought of it before, even I could be putting the mini-boss in an inherently dangerous situation and not know it, maybe due to lack of experience for example. I'd be thankful if a stranger pointed it out to me in a polite manner. If nothing else, would make me thing twice and maybe save the mini-boss from injury.

Joel

 

[Jaylegger]

The Haymaker, yes that was quite a rant. You posted a bunch of photos for the sole purpose of illiciting responses, why else post them. Without knowing the specific circumstances of the photos two of them and possibly three portray, what I would consider, questionable judgement. Perhaps you've identified and minimized any risk and perhaps not, I don't know anything about you, you posted some photos which can lead some to think otherwise.

 

[Transit]

The Haymaker, yes that was quite a rant. You posted a bunch of photos for the sole purpose of illiciting responses, why else post them. Without knowing the specific circumstances of the photos two of them and possibly three portray, what I would consider, questionable judgement. Perhaps you've identified and minimized any risk and perhaps not, I don't know anything about you, you posted some photos which can lead some to think otherwise.

Well Jaylegger, you can't fix stupid. I hope Haymaker never learns the hard way. Did you see the video of the 5 year old that lost a leg to a Brush Hog? It will break your hart.

 

[deepNdirt]

speaking of video's..... there are many vids you can watch that will explain better than going back-n-forth why its OK and why it should not be OK to ride children on the streets, But I'll let you find them yourselfs, they are quite graphic, how ever there is a news broadcast i will share with you,
I'm sure this young man didn't think anything would happen to him either, I was glade to know there were no children on with him,
ksl.com - Man killed in Orem motorcycle accident

 

[The Haymaker]

Maybe y'all should just spend more time on the obits? Wow.....

Thanks for calling me stupid, it just proves everything I wrote concerning opinions. I can give you my address if anyone feels they need to lend us their bubble wrap suit.

 

[deepNdirt]

Maybe y'all should just spend more time on the obits? Wow.....

Thanks for calling me stupid, it just proves everything I wrote concerning opinions. I can give you my address if anyone feels they need to lend us their bubble wrap suit.

I think the stupid comment was a little out of line as I dont think anyone is stupid, maybe just not as well informed of the risk, as I said before My biker buds and I have for some time now been campaigning to try to explain to both the folks driving cars to watch out for us bikers and explain better to other fellow bikers why they should ride in groups so they can be seen, one of the other things we try to explain is the risk of ridding their children on the streets, we all agree there is a risk with only the driver of the cycle is on the roadway, so we do not want to risk children safety,its as simple as that....actually I say a prayer each time we leave out to take a cruise that we all return safely, Now I have never said that You cannot ride your children in a controlled Environment, such as an empty parking or perhaps in your own yard
anywhere we have control of what will happen, I've along stated that riding children on the roadways is a risk,

 

[Jaylegger]

I thought you might be interested in hearing the viewpoints of a set of "fresh eyes" on the photos you submitted for scrutiny but appears you think you got it all figured out with your smart *** responses. I understand that passenger related motorcylce deaths are rare in the grand scheme of things but, in my opinion, riding with a small child between you and the tank really is just plain stupid. You may have the skills to foresee and avoid most crash situations but, as you know, when riding a motorcycle part of that ability requires split second high risk, high g-force avoidance manuevers. You can't see/anticipate everything, a deer jumping out of the ditch, other animals etc. can send an otherwise peaceful safe journey into avoidance maneurvers which would easily throw any small child from from the cycle or their position would interefere signifacantly with the avoidance maneuver which would cause an impact. I've actually hit a deer riding a bike and trust me you don't want someone you love and cherish between you and a rather stationary object. Perhaps this is a risk you comfortable with but not only is riding with a child on the tank unwise it is also illegal in most states and for good reason.

Funny thing is when I saw the photos the MC one didn't really concern me as much as you driving your tractor one handed with the other around you son through a foot or two of water. Here's a flooded condition with unseen likely washout areas which could swallow a front tire and easily through a one handed driver and/or passenger being held with the other. You mentioned earlier in a post that kids get thrown off tractors into chippers, well the condition you allow to occur in that photo can throw kids under rear tires underwater with the same end result, serious injury if not death. Quite honestly I feel your behavior is questionable at best and it would be wise for you to remove those photos. If, God forbid, something tragic did occur a prosecutor would not hesitate to charge you with criminal negligence causing...., child endangerment etc. Your posting of those photos in itself is a continuation of a pattern of poor judgement.

Edit: I'm not implying I believe it's inherently dangerous for kids to ride on bikes or tractors, I do not, there is a safe way to do anything but, imo, those conditions are not present in your photos.

 

[Transit]

speaking of video's..... there are many vids you can watch that will explain better than going back-n-forth why its OK and why it should not be OK to ride children on the streets, But I'll let you find them yourselfs, they are quite graphic, how ever there is a news broadcast i will share with you,
I'm sure this young man didn't think anything would happen to him either, I was glade to know there were no children on with him,
ksl.com - Man killed in Orem motorcycle accident

This one is for you.

Long ago when I was flying, a plane pulled up to a parking spot and before the pilot could shut the engine down, his passenger jumped out and ran through a spinning prop. I've taken many gests and their children up. Before we get out of the car, the safety talk ends with, if you do not obey the rules we go home. I have sent a few packing, don't like it? Too bad.

YouTube - Girl, 6, Survives Fall From Bush Hog Tractor

 

[Duffster]

I have a problem with my neighbor telling me with he feels is right or wrong.

As do I

 

[The Haymaker]

Here's a flooded condition with unseen likely washout areas which could swallow a front tire and easily through a one handed driver and/or passenger being held with the other.

Another point. You see the pic, you call me stupid, when you don't have a clue. That is a pond that forms in the low lying area of my field. NO chance of what you speak of. Get the facts before you assume.

My biker buds and I have for some time now been campaigning to try to explain to both the folks driving cars to watch out for us bikers

That, my friend, is a fatal mistake. It's the same thing that I teach in my trucking related job. You will NEVER reach the millions of other drivers on the street nor get them to listen or care. Change yourselves to fit into the chaos.

Anyway, have fun throwing hexes at me. Me and the boy will continue to have fun. I'll be sure to hang onto him until the prop stops spinning the next time we take a spin downtown.