Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous

[Transit]

I have dealt with pig head people before, and they all have one thing in common. There are those that may think you a fool, open your mouth and there will be no question of it. I don't have to hex you in any way, the Grim Reaper has his boney hand on your shoulder, it's just a matter of time. If you have such little regard for your family and friends, that's your problem. I'm not the one that is going to be explain why.

 

[The Haymaker]

Geez, does that mean you won't come over for a beer?

My reaper buddy.

 

[Soundguy]

Lets keep it nice guys.. i know we all have strong opinions on this.. but if the 'stupid' comments keep flying, administration will close and likely edit the thread to the point that it won't be usefull as reference material any more.

just sayin...

all right.. back to fighting now..


soundguy

 

[Cat_Driver]

There are two types of motorcycle drivers. Those that have been in and accident and those that are going to be in an accident.

One think I have noticed with other drivers, they look at you and what you are driving and then determine based on what you are driving weather they will or will not pull out in front of you.

My proof is when ever I drive something small like a VW bug, motorcycle, etc, people look right at me and pull in front of me all day long.

When I drive a dually 3500 with a massive brush guard, or a 5 ton delivery truck they never ever pull in front of me.

I understand you can't keep kids locked in a room till their 21 years old, but one doesn't need to play the odds by having kids on a motorcycle, or quad, etc. All it takes is one fall and it's a life time of agony for a short time of fun.

 

[Steve C]

If the child was dressed with a full face helmet, heavy armored leather jacket and armored jeans, heavy boots armored leather gloves, I would see nothing wrong with it. The proper protection can greatly mitigate the adverse consequences of a possible accident. Motorcycle road racers fall down at speeds of over 100 miles per hour and are rarely hurt because they are dressed for it. Kids are tough and flexible. However If they are dressed like the typical bad *** they probably wouldn't jump right up and continue the ride if they are involved in an accident. Probably just as well, Darwin system at work.

Unfortunately a lot of riders think it looks cool to wear no protective equipment. While this is O.K. in my way of thinking if you are an adult and want to be a bad ***, it should be a crimminal offense to expose a minor child to that risk. Oh and by the way, while you are trying to project that bad *** image those of us with half a brain are looking at and thinking "IDIOT"

We have burried 3 riders in my small town in the last month. One deer/cycle accident, one pulled out in front of the cycle pulling a trailer accident and one off road excursion of unknown origins. The only thing these people had in common was they all had on the bare minimum of protective clothing alowed by law. They sure looked cool though with their little Beanies on!

I have been riding motorcycles on the street for 41 years. I have had one serious accident. If I had not been wearing a good helmet 40 years ago, I would not be here today. I am sorry that you cannot see the grin on my face as I motor down the highway with my full face helmet on, but trust me it is there, even when I am on my Harley.

I doubt that this post will change anyones mind about motorcycle riding and the importance of protective gear. Being that I have worked in the engineering field all my life I have never been much into "fashion" I have always been motivated by "what works" not what it looks like. I think that it is corporately irresponsible for one of our American Icons of manufacturing to so heavily promote style over function in their marketing. They make a ton of money on style. They could just as well make a ton of money promoting products to keep their costomers safe. It is a puzzle to me why they chose not to do that.

 

[Transit]

Geez, does that mean you won't come over for a beer?

My reaper buddy.

Sure does! I don't want to be around you for any reason at any time. With your callous attitude your're an accident waiting to happen.

 

[JoelD]

If the child was dressed with a full face helmet, heavy armored leather jacket and armored jeans, heavy boots armored leather gloves, I would see nothing wrong with it. The proper protection can greatly mitigate the adverse consequences of a possible accident. Motorcycle road racers fall down at speeds of over 100 miles per hour and are rarely hurt because they are dressed for it. Kids are tough and flexible. However If they are dressed like the typical bad *** they probably wouldn't jump right up and continue the ride if they are involved in an accident. Probably just as well, Darwin system at work.

Unfortunately a lot of riders think it looks cool to wear no protective equipment. While this is O.K. in my way of thinking if you are an adult and want to be a bad ***, it should be a crimminal offense to expose a minor child to that risk. Oh and by the way, while you are trying to project that bad *** image those of us with half a brain are looking at and thinking "IDIOT"

We have burried 3 riders in my small town in the last month. One deer/cycle accident, one pulled out in front of the cycle pulling a trailer accident and one off road excursion of unknown origins. The only thing these people had in common was they all had on the bare minimum of protective clothing alowed by law. They sure looked cool though with their little Beanies on!

I have been riding motorcycles on the street for 41 years. I have had one serious accident. If I had not been wearing a good helmet 40 years ago, I would not be here today. I am sorry that you cannot see the grin on my face as I motor down the highway with my full face helmet on, but trust me it is there, even when I am on my Harley.

I doubt that this post will change anyones mind about motorcycle riding and the importance of protective gear. Being that I have worked in the engineering field all my life I have never been much into "fashion" I have always been motivated by "what works" not what it looks like. I think that it is corporately irresponsible for one of our American Icons of manufacturing to so heavily promote style over function in their marketing. They make a ton of money on style. They could just as well make a ton of money promoting products to keep their costomers safe. It is a puzzle to me why they chose not to do that.

HI Steve, I agree with much of what you say.

One point I disagree on, when road racers go down at 100 and sometimes 200 MPH, the key difference is, at worst they are flung high in the air, go forbid they hit an imovable object after being flung, or slide straight into a barrier (I watched a guy have CPR performed on him after he road his street bike into a jersey barrier in southern NH). Typically they'll lay it down in a corner transition (unless a motor lets go and they hit oil) with plenty of run off for them to get up on the their back plate and slide.

On the road however, more typically you hit or are hit by a big heavy car. Or, if you do lay it down, like my 21 year old aquaintance did a few years back, you don't have the luxury of run off and end up sliding into something big and hard, in his case it was a curb, head first after riding a wheeley at 100mph to impress a film crew, of course to get a good shot he had no helmet on, it was strapped to his bike. Not fun when a 21 year old kid, being dopey for 10 minutes out of his life, has not re-do on the decision.

For me, I love nothing more than to ride or drive or operate stuff. But as I get older I'm trying to get better and better at my decision making. I could not live with myself if I critically injured myself or the mini-boss, she depends on me far to much.

I will ride her in the bucket of my loader, in my yard, over familiar ground while moving slowly, doing nothing other than giving her a ride. Is it totally safe, nope, but I put it in the category where I've got a lot more control over my environment and machine than if I were to take her out on a street bike in traffic.

There is no right answer only degrees of wrong I guess.

PS> I'm not buying it that Haymaker is risking his son as some of those pictures my inferr. I'm thinking in part he's using strong tactics to debate his point. I know too many dads who are not involved at all and could care less what their kids are up to, not much good ever comes from that.


Joel

 

[Transit]

Steve, your friend got away easy. I take it that he is/was a pro stunt man? Well he did use his head to protect himself. He could have ended like Superman, in a wheel chair. If he was out of it for ten minutes, he definitely had a concussion and in need of medical aid. Never can tell what brain damage may show up years from now.

 

[Steve C]

HI Steve, I agree with much of what you say.

One point I disagree on, when road racers go down at 100 and sometimes 200 MPH, the key difference is, at worst they are flung high in the air, go forbid they hit an imovable object after being flung, or slide straight into a barrier (I watched a guy have CPR performed on him after he road his street bike into a jersey barrier in southern NH). Typically they'll lay it down in a corner transition (unless a motor lets go and they hit oil) with plenty of run off for them to get up on the their back plate and slide.

On the road however, more typically you hit or are hit by a big heavy car. Or, if you do lay it down, like my 21 year old aquaintance did a few years back, you don't have the luxury of run off and end up sliding into something big and hard, in his case it was a curb, head first after riding a wheeley at 100mph to impress a film crew, of course to get a good shot he had no helmet on, it was strapped to his bike. Not fun when a 21 year old kid, being dopey for 10 minutes out of his life, has not re-do on the decision.

For me, I love nothing more than to ride or drive or operate stuff. But as I get older I'm trying to get better and better at my decision making. I could not live with myself if I critically injured myself or the mini-boss, she depends on me far to much.

I will ride her in the bucket of my loader, in my yard, over familiar ground while moving slowly, doing nothing other than giving her a ride. Is it totally safe, nope, but I put it in the category where I've got a lot more control over my environment and machine than if I were to take her out on a street bike in traffic.

There is no right answer only degrees of wrong I guess.

PS> I'm not buying it that Haymaker is risking his son as some of those pictures my inferr. I'm thinking in part he's using strong tactics to debate his point. I know too many dads who are not involved at all and could care less what their kids are up to, not much good ever comes from that.


Joel

You are of course correct in the a track environment is a much safer place to crash a motorcycle than the street is. I know people who have lost legs feet and arms to imovable objects and car bumpers. I would not wish that on anyone, but at least they are still around to enjoy life thanks in part to the area of their bodies that are mandated protection in Michigan. They had helmets on.

 

[Steve C]

Steve, your friend got away easy. I take it that he is/was a pro stunt man? Well he did use his head to protect himself. He could have ended like Superman, in a wheel chair. If he was out of it for ten minutes, he definitely had a concussion and in need of medical aid. Never can tell what brain damage may show up years from now.

That was Joels friend not mine

He didn't actually say what the outcome was, only that the young man made a bad choice and put himself in harms way for 10 minutes and would probably do something else if he had the chance. There is a good possibility that he didn't and isn't going to get that chance.

We had a local man fall off a mini bike several years ago while doing about 5 miles per hour, turning into his driveway demonstrating to his kids how to operate it. He leaned the bike as he made the turn into the driveway and because of the slope he ran out of ground clearance and the rigid foot peg hit the pavement, it high sided him and he landed on his head and died on the spot. That mini bike had a seat that was only about 18 inches off the ground! That is a riding demonstration that they and I will never forget. Concrete is hard, heads are soft, in any given contest, the concrete wins.

Anything that one can do to put something other than air between these to substances is probably a very good idea.

A long time ago I decided that I was not going to live long enough to make all the "learning experience" mistakes that I need to make on my own, so I have taken the opprotunity to learn from the mistakes of others. So far this approach is working out rather well for me but sometimes not so good for the "others".