Chinese Tractors Aren't Worth the Risk

ByuBill · Apr 29, 2002

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In my experience, open discourse often leads to a deeper understanding on the issues. 

With this, I couldn't agree with you more.
If you had said,,, 'Whichever, tractors aren't worth the risk to me' I don't think that much would have been said. Instead you just said that they 'aren't worth the risk'. Sort of like you were the good samaritan that was going to save the world from these 'bad' tractors. You are intitled to your opinion as I am mine. Although, what you consider a risk, I may not. Seems that way anyhow, since I bought a kioti after my research.
So, have yourself a wonderful day and good luck with 'whichever' brand that you do think 'is worth the risk'.

JCooper · Apr 29, 2002

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Sorry to hear you're not a Chinese tractor fan. You're definitely entitled to your own opinion. I don't write long posts because I am far too busy to really even read some of this stuff. But considering which tractor you have in your possesion now, I think ANY tractor you'd choose would be a step up.

JCooper

RanchMan · Apr 29, 2002

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Sorry Marrt - I don't buy it --- Since it's obvious you are talking about me to a large extent, I'll go ahead and respond.

A note on the “stirring the pot” comments. Some folks apparently think that these discussion forums should not be about discussion, but instead should be little more than cheerleading sections of the respective brands.

I do not (nor have ever thought) that "...discussion forums should not be about discussion..." In actuality, that is why I have come (and continue) to visit TBN. What I do have a problem with is when people come with comments worded in such a way intended to evoke a response.

There is a BIG difference between telling accurate information and perspectives in a "polite" way instead of an obviously confrontational way.

Ok, semantically your title it is accurate (as you feel it necessary to give the "Webster's" definition of "risk" to us), but come on- you honestly didn't think you would upset others? As someone in marketing, you should know that a phrase such as your title would have had this effect. NO SIR - I don't buy your "explanation."

 Any negative comment is automatically viewed as someone “looking to start trouble” and disingenuous.

Uh - no. I think if you go back and read when I've spoken on things (I'll only discuss myself here) on this board, I've stated things I have seen as "problem" areas on tractors (different brands - INCLUDING THE BRAND I OWN). So, no. I, by my own hand, have made "negative comments." Kindof ironic a "cheerleader" such as myself would actually say something bad about tractors/brands. Hmmm... /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif

I myself have seen Chinese tractors close up, and I have some "observations" too. (mainly in regards to "fit and finish") Have I posted them in an unsolicited message - no. Doesn't mean that I would not post if asked and doesn't mean that I only see "Rainbows & Lollipops." Just means that I take others potential reactions in to account before I speak. After all, what is the point in being "Right" but ignored?

Are there those that come across as "disingenuous" when they make comments? YOU BET. I (and a few others) have seen it when folks make statements based when they are full of "owner pride" and empty on facts. Your posts come across that way (intended or not). Go back to the thread you started on "Kioti isn't worth the risk" and read what I say about it there. (I don't feel like repeating myself again here)

Over on the Kubota forum, I saw a bunch of people “jump on” someone who made one slightly negative comment about a Kubota compared to a Kioti.

I know the post you speak of and yes, I was present in that one - but in a little different role. I did defend some of the points the "anti-Kubota" poster made, but at the same time that individual had a similar issue - potentially good points blasted out of the water because the presentation and approach was all wrong.

I assume YOU don't say disparaging comments when visiting a friends house, do you? Something along the lines of "Gosh, terrible decorating, big structural problems, heard your builder is unreliable, why did you buy it? Might be fine for you, but ** I ** would never buy something like that." ????

If you don't say things like that in someone else's physical residence, why do you feel it is somehow appropriate or "good" do it here?

I don’t believe in wasting time on useless arguments anymore than the next guy, but everyone should be entitled to express and defend their position. In my experience, open discourse often leads to a deeper understanding on the issues. 

While I agree on the sub-statement "express and defend their position.", you KNEW that your post would provoke others, and by your own statement of "open discourse often leads to a deeper understanding..." in my mind, it removes any doubt that you were just asking for a confrontation. So yes, I am quite suspect of your true motivations.

There are far better ways of communicating the same information without alienating anyone.

Alan L. · Apr 29, 2002

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I don't have the balls to buy a Chinese tractor at this time. I have a problem with helping to finance nuclear missiles pointed in my direction (these tractors aren't from Tiawan are they?)

Having said that, sounds like there are more and more of our midst that have them, and I certainly can't begrudge those who make the decision to go with them. If it was the most tractor for my money I'd probably do it too.

My political views might be different if the Chinese made one of the "reliable" brands. Its pretty easy for me to stay away from them right now, but if I was rich I'd like one to play with and give a report on.

Anonymous Poster · Apr 30, 2002

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They do. John Deere. http://www.jdtt.com/em.htm and make parts for most if not all the others.

ByuBill · Apr 30, 2002

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My political views might be different if the Chinese made one of the "reliable" brands.

Now may be a good time to consider changing your political views... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

John Deere Tiantuo Co.,LTD. ( JDT ), a joint venture company established on August 1,2000,by and between Tianjin Tractor Manufacturing Corp.,Ltd., one of the famous large & medium size wheeled tractor in China, and Deere & Company of United States, the largest agricultural machinery manufacturing company in the world , occupies 415 thousand square meters of area ,possesses precision equipment and talented personnel both at technicality and management.

JohnS · Apr 30, 2002

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The thread you refer to, was not a NorTrac, but a Jinma sold by a chain supply store, Rural King. It was the subject of conversation at CTOA where most discussed the possibility of a new dealer not knowing and recognizing issues before selling. Again, NorTrac has a very good record with pleasing its customers. How many NorTrac owners did you talk with? Obviously, Rural King does too, or they wouldn't have taken the tractor back. The poster also came back to the CTOA board to let other know that the tractor was for sale at a very good discount.

I hope you find your dream tractor soon. On purpose or not, you have a way of rubbing people the wrong way.

trentay · Apr 30, 2002

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Had to throw my 2 cents worth in on this one, just could not resist! I looked at the chinese tractors and still may own on some day. There is a lot of information out there about them and if you are going to own any tractor you should be mechanically inclined to work on it yourself or you are going to spend a whole lot of time watching it being worked on instead of using it! I came down to price for me and I bought a gray market because it was about $4k less (implements included) than the Chinese tractor and could still do everything that I needed. I would love to own any NEW tractor, but sticker shock got the best of me and I went with what my budget could deal with reasonably. I think most tractor buyers are not rich folks, so they get what they can afford, regardless of brand. The more research you do before you buy, the better off you will be in the long run!

Soundguy · Apr 30, 2002

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I kind of considder an 8n as a medium to small tractor, on a medium to large frame. As it is only 24-26 hp, yet is as large ( or larger in some areas ) than my NH 1920.. which is 33hp .

He would probably be more happy with the compact trractor sizes in the 18 hp range.. like a tc18 from NH... a bit small in my book, as I have a yanmar 1700 and they are close...I found I couldn't maintain a small farm with it, so had to get the slightly larger tractor... Just depends on what yard size he is dealing with.

Soundguy

""BTW, I hope to sell that 8N soon as I really don't need a large tractor now.

8n = LARGE TRACTOR...
I think that I am beginning to understand. You have an 8n that is too large. Everything that you think that 'isn't worth the risk' is already bigger than your 8n. Maybe you should visit your friendly local lawn mower dealer and stop looking at 'real' tractors. I think that a 'lawn tractor' is what you are looking for. ""

Soundguy · Apr 30, 2002

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I'll agree there. When i got my first tractor, I didn't have much ca$h to devote to it. After looking forever, and doing searches and research, I finally ended up with a yanmar compact. Having never owned a tractor, I bought one that was in the long run too small, and needed a bigger tractor. My decision to buy the yanmar was based on 3 things.... yanmar's tie to deere, the extremly low price, and the extensive userlist support of other owners. I finally decided to buy a new bigger tractor, and was a bit winded by the sticker prices.. but knew I needed one. I decided on a NH, and on the day I went down to buy it, I spotted a nice used one on the dealers lot. I got a lot more tractor buying used and a couple years old, than buying new... and i love it.

I seriously considdered a jinma/nortrac.. but couldn't find a local one to go look at. I had even called northern, and got a freight quote, etc. At the time i knew of the 1 year parts warranty.. but was a bit worried about the labor thing. I'm farily handy.. but some things are almost a dealer issue. I see now on the northern website that you can purchase a labor and parts warranty...
Had I know that.. I might own a chineese tractor now...

Chris

""that I needed. I would love to own any NEW tractor, but sticker shock got the best of me and I went with what my budget could deal with reasonably. I think most tractor buyers are not rich folks, so they get what they can afford, regardless of brand. The more research you do before you buy, the better off you will be in the long run! ""