Price Check CK20 HST questions, pricing, FEL cracks, HST pedal bushing issues etc.

[Dargo]

Hopefully you won't have any issues at all with your new tractor. No matter what I say, or anyone else says, it's only prudent for you to get what you personally want. Good luck!

 

[phffft]

Congratulations on getting your new CK. I'll look forward to your comparison with the B7510. Have fun and be safe.

 

[coasterez]

Malk315,

Congrats on the new Kioti. I'm sure you'll get years of good service out it. And I'm looking forward to your comparison with the Kubota. Afterwhich, it's likely that one of you is going to have buyer's remorse for not buying the other brand. Keep us posted!!

 

[Dmace]

Welcome to the pack malk315 !

I think you will be very pleased with your purchase. 10 months and 100+ hours later, I know I am.

 

[HODAK]

I have to say its pretty sad when guys who know nothing about Kioti tractors have to put in their 2 cents and speak on behalf of the actual tractor owners whod be happy to give unbiased opinions.. My Ck30 has been flawless in 150hrs of hard use.The only issue i have had has been with a defective Woods valve on my loader, not a Kioti component. HST has been smooth as silk, excellent power. I read time and time again of problems with other tractor brands and yet I see no kioti owners step in to take a cheap shot. Every brand on here will experience problems with new designs, no brand has been excluded... I thought these troll games had come to an end, its too bad..

I have often wondered the same thing..........why is it that KIOTI owners don't take the time to jump in when there is a problem with other brands? Maybe KIOTI owners are busy using their KIOTI and not reading the other forums. Maybe KIOTI owners / buyers are only interested in reading about issues that other KIOTI owners had / have? The internet is an easy way for some to get in a cheap shot and then say they didn't mean anything. I kind of figure that these are the individuals who were picked on at some point in their life and now have a way to be heard. Could be a good thing .....sometimes. Freedom of speech I guess. It does tend to make me smile on occasion. If nothing else, it is an interesting site.

 

[IslandTractor]

I have often wondered the same thing..........why is it that KIOTI owners don't take the time to jump in when there is a problem with other brands? Maybe KIOTI owners are busy using their KIOTI and not reading the other forums. Maybe KIOTI owners / buyers are only interested in reading about issues that other KIOTI owners had / have? The internet is an easy way for some to get in a cheap shot and then say they didn't mean anything. I kind of figure that these are the individuals who were picked on at some point in their life and now have a way to be heard. Could be a good thing .....sometimes. Freedom of speech I guess. It does tend to make me smile on occasion. If nothing else, it is an interesting site.

Having a few resident critics around is not such a bad thing. We don't have to pay them much and they keep tabs on a variety of issues for us. I found it useful to read the point/counterpoint arguments while I was looking for a tractor. I certainly understand that my tractor (CK20) is not perfect but frankly after listening to criticism (and providing some myself), and comparing it to alternatives, it is still the best tractor and deal on the market for what I need. To have it criticized just brings to my attention issues I might want to watch out for or to figure out work arounds. The only real downside is that critics and hyper enthusiasts sometimes get into unseemly shouting matches. I think the moderators are pretty good these days at appropriately slapping hands and sending the perps to their corners for a while when that happens. So, in summary, I see our resident critics kinda like Ramora fish that tag along and provide some symbiotic assistance while hardly being a serious threat. Sometimes they are annoying gadflys but that just needs to be tolerated. We Kiotis have thick metal skins (not cheap plastic) so we should not let that sort of thing bother us. If they were not pestering us they'd be annoying their wives so think of this as a community service.

 

[HODAK]

Having a few resident critics around is not such a bad thing. We don't have to pay them much and they keep tabs on a variety of issues for us. I found it useful to read the point/counterpoint arguments while I was looking for a tractor. I certainly understand that my tractor (CK20) is not perfect but frankly after listening to criticism (and providing some myself), and comparing it to alternatives, it is still the best tractor and deal on the market for what I need. To have it criticized just brings to my attention issues I might want to watch out for or to figure out work arounds. The only real downside is that critics and hyper enthusiasts sometimes get into unseemly shouting matches. I think the moderators are pretty good these days at appropriately slapping hands and sending the perps to their corners for a while when that happens. So, in summary, I see our resident critics kinda like Ramora fish that tag along and provide some symbiotic assistance while hardly being a serious threat. Sometimes they are annoying gadflys but that just needs to be tolerated. We Kiotis have thick metal skins (not cheap plastic) so we should not let that sort of thing bother us. If they were not pestering us they'd be annoying their wives so think of this as a community service.

Well said. And, I really enjoyed that last sentence.

 

[Highbeam]

Good post IT. I value both positive and negative info about our machines. I have brought my share of both to the table.

 

[psuedofarmer]

Why would you consider spending your hard earned $15k on a brand that has cracking FELs and problematic HST pedals. Consider spending that money on an established brand or if you don't mind turning a wrench and want to really save some $$$ buy a Chinese tractor. Kioti charges as much as the established brands for their tractors but all you are getting is a pretty good paint job on a Chinese quality tractor in my opinion.

my DK55c (purchased in July 2004) was nearly $14,000 LESS than the comparable orange tractor (similarly equiped). it was purchased at a dealer in New Hampshire (one of the first kioti dealers in the country).

In less than 2 years, i have over 650 hours on the tractor.

i farm. that means i use the tractor for:

baling hay (~15-20,000 bales/year)
14 acres of row crops
restoration of 12 acres of abandoned fields
logging/skidding (50+ cords/year)
moving snow (my driveway is over 1 mile)
+ more chores than i care to mention

i have yet to experience any failure that i characterize as severe (just a few minor issues, none of which prevented me from farming).

as with any newer model, expect issues. happens with cars, trucks and tractors. ironically, i echoed your same sentiment a few years ago when i was ready to spend $50,000 on a tractor.

glad i had the insight (and cajones) to take a chance on kioti. i'm not looking back, and now ready to purchase another unit (CK series) for greenhouse production.

pf

 

[Dargo]

my DK55c (purchased in July 2004) was nearly $14,000 LESS than the comparable orange tractor (similarly equiped).

Sorry, but this is where I have to say that all the other readers roll their eyes and laugh. C'mon now, I priced a DK55 cab model, a DK65s cab model and a Kubota L5030HSTC. With similar equipment; actually considerably more since I wanted a hydro drive, the Kubota cost me less than $500 more than the Kioti DK55 cab. That made it a no brainer for me. So you're telling me that you got a $14,500 better deal on a DK55 than the best deal in my area. Nothing personal, but I've heard this story before and have always found a fish.

 

[psuedofarmer]

Sorry, but this is where I have to say that all the other readers roll their eyes and laugh. C'mon now, I priced a DK55 cab model, a DK65s cab model and a Kubota L5030HSTC. With similar equipment; actually considerably more since I wanted a hydro drive, the Kubota cost me less than $500 more than the Kioti DK55 cab. That made it a no brainer for me. So you're telling me that you got a $14,500 better deal on a DK55 than the best deal in my area. Nothing personal, but I've heard this story before and have always found a fish.

this is exactly why i don't use this forum on a regular basis any longer. the difference was significant. the DK55 and the Grand L were placed side-by-side with BH, FEL and boxblade. the difference was exactly how i quoted it.

frankly, i could care less about smelly fish. i've got hay to bale.

pf

 

[DaveNay]

my DK55c (purchased in July 2004) was nearly $14,000 LESS than the comparable orange tractor (similarly equiped). it was purchased at a dealer in New Hampshire (one of the first kioti dealers in the country).

Heya PF!

Could you please send me the information for the dealer you purchase(d) your Kioti's from? My JD 855 is getting a little long in the tooth, and is really starting to nickle and dime me. Kioti doesn't have any dealers within a hundred miles of my house, so I am going to need to travel if I want a deal. I have several of the name brand tractor dealers near me, but I can haul the flatbed trailer to get a deal that good.

I'm probably not looking for anything as large as your DK55c, but if they have a model in the 30-40HP range, that would be great!

Thanks!
Dave

 

[malk315]

Went over to Harvard Power at lunch time and dropped off the down payment.

Tires are out getting filled but she we won't ready til at least monday.

The serial # of the machine shows it does not have the bushing fix for the HST pedal so they plan to install that monday (figure it's best to put it on rather than take a chance that it would have to go back if it ended up w/ the bushing issue talked about earlier). I'm glad they're doing that (free of charge of course).

Then they'll finish prepping the machine, and drop it off monday night or tuesday.

Hopefully monday night or tuesday night I'll get the delivery pictures up here for all to see.

 

[rico304]

this is exactly why i don't use this forum on a regular basis any longer. the difference was significant. the DK55 and the Grand L were placed side-by-side with BH, FEL and boxblade. the difference was exactly how i quoted it.

frankly, i could care less about smelly fish. i've got hay to bale.

pf

$14,000 less? Wow!!!!! I must say that I have never priced a DK model. I've never priced anything Kubota bigger than a B3030.
I do agree with Dargo that this price difference sounds a little overboard. Not saying it didn't happen, but I never saw ANY tractor with even close to that % of a difference.
PF, you got a good buy if your numbers are on

Malk315, enjoy your tractor! (I like to say that even though I'm sure you will!)

 

[gamble77]

At the same time the L5030 and DK55 aren't even close to being apples to apples, the DK55 is much more tractor.

 

[Dargo]

... the DK55 is much more tractor.

Nothing personal, but that's your opinion. Not saying that it is a bad tractor, but for what I needed and wanted it was less. I do a lot of constant moving around on rather steep hills. I've driven gear tractors for 25 years, but for what I do right now, a hydro transmission is a huge plus. No need to go into other specifics for what I need because it doesn't matter. It's my opinion of what I need just like it's your opinion that the DK55 is more tractor.

 

[slowzuki]

Dargo and Pseudo, I have an L5030 HSTC because I could get it used for 15,000 less than a new DK55C in Canada. Here the Kioti are priced on par with kubota's.

I know both of you know the L5030 and Dk55 are not comparable, the DK45C is really the size equal to the L5030. The dk 55 is on par with the M5700 or M4900 Kubota's.

Besides the price difference, I was worried about how the electic pto would be on my baler and mower given their huge flywheel/rotating mass. I thought it may be too rough o engagement. Apparently pseudo has no trouble.

I also was worried about weak roll back problems all the 1595 loaders were having. And wasn't keen on the unsuspended seat in the smaller kiotis (ouch!)

So I got my good deal on the kubota and all's perfect? Well, no, the kubota has been a champ but it is not as big of tractor as I need. I bale about 5000 small squares a year and it can't haul the baler with a wagon. Too light for that. It also is right at its power limits when dragging the mower conditioner up steep fields.

So I bale, drop on the ground and we pick up. Whats in my future? Likely a M6800 cab model or something like that unless I stop seeing stories of DK55 axles popping. Maybe we'll look at a DK65 too.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Just curois, has anything happened with the whole FEL cracking issue?

 

[Highbeam]

Neil, not since the announcement that they would be fixing and updating the loaders. They had anticipated a three month timeframe since the announcement. No loader that I've heard of has completely self destructed yet from the cracks.

 

[TomKioti]

Just wondering,

What's the current fatality rate from these cracked loaders. 10,000 posts about the issue can't be wrong i mean these things have got to be the Tsunami of front end loaders based on the freak out factor. The issue has literally dominated world events and overshadowed wars and possible terror threats around the world for months... sort of like global warming but without Al Gores ridiculous book and movie however, I wouldn't rule out a movie deal on these loaders. Kioti may have a huge thriller on their hands something like War of the Worlds only with Kioti cracked loaders slaughtering millions on mini estates across the nation.

Ah yes I can see it now....
the carnage. Horrible yet thrilling just the same....





P.S. My Ford Pinto rocked and never blew up. Oh and Sorry about the sarcasm but I just can't take another Kioti cracked loader post.