CK25 vs CK30 Buyer!

MessickFarmEqu · Jun 9, 2006

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Like I said the math was a ballpark estimate)

Someone should point out that the previous Daedong website said that in 2002-2003 Kioti sold 3000 units into the USA. Far from the 25,000/yr you had guessed. Even if they have grown 25% (alot considering the industry is down this year) and figure maybe 20% of those machines are CK20/CK30 thats 800 units a year, if 3/4 have loaders than there are 600 in the field per year.

MessickFarmEqu · Jun 9, 2006

(
Like I said the math was a ballpark estimate)

Someone should point out that the previous Daedong website said that in 2002-2003 Kioti sold 3000 units into the USA. Far from the 25,000/yr you had guessed. Even if they have grown 25% (alot considering the industry is down this year) and figure maybe 20% of those machines are CK20/CK30 thats 800 units a year, if 3/4 have loaders than there are 600 in the field per year.

Batche33 · Jun 9, 2006

We are Batchelder
but Dick (my dad ~ the owner) started out welding, so when something needs to be welded, it can be done properly.

As far as my opinion (and I have many /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) it'll have to wait til Monday, as I am going home.

CIAO BELLA

Batche33 · Jun 9, 2006

We are Batchelder
but Dick (my dad ~ the owner) started out welding, so when something needs to be welded, it can be done properly.

As far as my opinion (and I have many /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) it'll have to wait til Monday, as I am going home.

CIAO BELLA

Batche33 · Jun 9, 2006

Ok I'll simplify it
alot of Kiotis's have been sold, Kioti doesn't have that many people to answer the phones /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Too much math for 5pm on a Friday
I'll argue with you Monday /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
on second thought I don't really see the point.

CIAO BELLA

Batche33 · Jun 9, 2006

Ok I'll simplify it
alot of Kiotis's have been sold, Kioti doesn't have that many people to answer the phones /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Too much math for 5pm on a Friday
I'll argue with you Monday /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
on second thought I don't really see the point.

CIAO BELLA

MotorSeven · Jun 9, 2006

"Aaaah somebody misses me /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif"

'ello Red, thought you had run back to FL for more sun... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I think everyone can take a deep breath now...{in}......{out}, for it was a combination of us barking, Highbeam's letter, and the Dealers on this site that got the ball rolling in the right direction. I really think that Kioti will learn something here in managing this type of problem. Hopefully the next time(yep i said it...it can happen) they will respond differently. We have to keep in mind that just a few years ago, this type of communication/info exchange could not have taken place. many mfg's and companies have yet to take advantage of forum type info. I vote that Kioti hire Island.....a dollar a thread read? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
RD

MotorSeven · Jun 9, 2006

"Aaaah somebody misses me /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif"

'ello Red, thought you had run back to FL for more sun... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I think everyone can take a deep breath now...{in}......{out}, for it was a combination of us barking, Highbeam's letter, and the Dealers on this site that got the ball rolling in the right direction. I really think that Kioti will learn something here in managing this type of problem. Hopefully the next time(yep i said it...it can happen) they will respond differently. We have to keep in mind that just a few years ago, this type of communication/info exchange could not have taken place. many mfg's and companies have yet to take advantage of forum type info. I vote that Kioti hire Island.....a dollar a thread read? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
RD

buyerjohn · Jun 10, 2006

time to take my thread back - my intent wasn't to start another loader cracking thread but rather I raised the issue in the context of me being a buyer of a new tractor and talking with numerous dealers...from these discussions, I can tell you this:

1. Kioti has absolutely, positively NOT communicated with ALL dealers about this issue - In fact, I would say Kioti has communicated with few dealers about this. I know because several dealers that I've spoken with have said it "aint a problem" only to tell me later that "well maybe it is" after they do some digging.

2. Kioti doesn't have to make 50,000 phone calls...I'd like to think they have a service bulletin mechanism to take care of stuff like this...the dealers should make the phone calls.

3. Today, this problem is not widespread because few dealers even know about it - or perhaps they dont want to admit it to me because I'm a potential buyer.

4. It's highly unlikely Kioti will admit to anything until they have a fix in place - doing so would kill sales overnight and be high powered laser ammo for their competitors.

John.

buyerjohn · Jun 10, 2006

time to take my thread back - my intent wasn't to start another loader cracking thread but rather I raised the issue in the context of me being a buyer of a new tractor and talking with numerous dealers...from these discussions, I can tell you this:

1. Kioti has absolutely, positively NOT communicated with ALL dealers about this issue - In fact, I would say Kioti has communicated with few dealers about this. I know because several dealers that I've spoken with have said it "aint a problem" only to tell me later that "well maybe it is" after they do some digging.

2. Kioti doesn't have to make 50,000 phone calls...I'd like to think they have a service bulletin mechanism to take care of stuff like this...the dealers should make the phone calls.

3. Today, this problem is not widespread because few dealers even know about it - or perhaps they dont want to admit it to me because I'm a potential buyer.

4. It's highly unlikely Kioti will admit to anything until they have a fix in place - doing so would kill sales overnight and be high powered laser ammo for their competitors.

John.