CK30HST VS CK30 SHUTTLE

[Jocassee]

When I last emailed you I was having problems with my new hst getting power from the engine to the tires. Little push/pull, no tire spin. I put 15 hours on the tractor and it did not get any better so I called the dealer. He put it up against a small stump in the grass and it would not spin 2 wheels or four.

Kioti and the dealer checked the pressures at the valves and said they were correct, however the dealer was not pleased.

He worked out a great deal for me to exchange for a new shuttle. What a tractor! I have had JD, MF, Yanmar, and Kubota and this Kioti is awesome.

The shuttle will push, pull, lift or spin and die trying. The hst would just sit there. The dealer told me that the hst's were great lawn tractors but if I wanted a tractor I needed the shuttle. I should have listened!!

There is no comparison between the two. The shuttle will outwork the hst 4/1. I have talked with other hst owners at the dealer ship and they too have had hst issues.

Not trying to knot anyone up but wish that I could have read this on the post before I purchased.

 

[shvl73]

This can't be a normal condition. I don't own a Kioti, I own a Mahindra, but my 2810HST is a real bull. I have no hydro power problems. I think the 2810 & the CK30 are similar size, hp is close. I have no idea what kind of hydro the Kioti uses but if it were that much weaker than the competition how could they be selling so many?

 

[strokerduster]

my previous jd2210 and my current b3030 (both hst) will spin all four when they finally lose traction. your experience does't seem normal to me. iv'e had shuttle before, liked it but prefer the hst.

 

[albmn10]

Hello, the hst and gear are going to perform differently. My ck30 hst is unstoppable, put it in low in it goes through about anything. I pull a 6 ft boxblade through the heaviest clay completely full and doenst even hesitate.As far as loader work,the hst is a pleasure to use. People often confuse the hst as a gas pedal when the power is in using the right gear and applying the hand throttle. Both versions have their advantages. For an example i spent today grading the crest of a steep ravine using my boxblade, which required me backing up to the edge very cautiously and dropping the box over the edge and clearing the overhang. Id never condsider that using a manual shuttle, too dangerous in that the hst pedal control is instantanious providing a much sharper response time. As far as the mahindra 2810, the engine is made by kioti, (Daedong). Im not sure if it uses the same transmission though. Im not sure what the problem with your hst was, im glad you found the shuttle to be more pleasing to your needs. As far as Kioti goes, they are very capable machines.

 

[DK35vince]

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I would do it with gear. If you did it with a hydro it can be done with gear, no problem...

 

[TractorLegend]

So yours unfortunately had a problem. That doesn't prove that a working HST is weak and shouldn't even be considered.
Im sure your dealer was able to let you compare a working one??
The HST is ultra convenient, but theres a lemon in the pile of anything mechanical that is manufactured.

I'm curious as to what "deal" your dealer worked out.
"Deal" implies that it costs you something. You had a defective rig with HST which costs about $900-1000 more than a gear unit to start with---did he charge you more for the gear in the end?

I would assimilate your issue to a person buying a manual tranny vehicle that has a defect of jumping out of gear during use and then using that rationale to state auto trannies are the only way to go.

If your dealer couldn't find a resolve for the HST itself through either himself or his network, it's a testament to his ability and stick-tuitiveness.
If your dealer truly said "A Kioti CK30HST is only good for a lawn mower" I would opine he is a few french fries short of a Happy Meal.

I love mine and can shove its bucket into huge piles of fill dirt hard enough to bog the motor, spin the tires, and generally have all sorts of fun. I haven't heard this complaint before this, here, now, today.

 

[RedRocker]

Sounds like something was wrong, mine is a tank.

 

[Highbeam]

Agreed, that unit was flawed. But I will also acknowledge that there will be no way to convince the poster of that. Mine spins em all or kills the engine trying.

 

[DrewL]

another unfortunate part of this is the belief that HST is inferior to a gear drive. I also disagree with that My CK30HST is unstoppable

 

[HODAK]

How about the name of that dealer? I just want to make sure I steer clear of that place. To say the HST is a just a lawn mower??? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif The CK30HST and CK30SS are identical tractors except for the tranny, (the HST is a few pounds heavier), and if operated correctly the HST will spin the tires and/or bog the engine. (I'm speaking from personal experience). As stated a thousand times before, it's a preference thing. Glad your happy with your shuttle, but that dealer or whoever you talked to made a dumb statement. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[KiotiJohn]

You say Kioti AND the dealer checked the pressures. Just who from Kioti came there and did that? A lot of dealers are not quite up on the procedure for checking pressures. If it's not done just so, the reading will easily be off.

I've used CK30HSTs, and they're far from being "a good lawnmower only."

Your unit had a problem, no question.

John

 

[VictorW]

I'm glad your happy with the deal and you now have a gear. I have a CK30hst and it pushes or pulls great. As others said, I can make the engine bog in medium range, so something must be working right. I pulled out approx. 30 feet of half inch steel cable buried in the ground over a foot deep. I hooked on to the cable with a cable clamp and then attached a piece of 1 inch dia. rope to it and the draw bar. Started in low range at about 2000 rpm. It was coming out of the ground, slicing the ground like a knife just went through it. I came to a spot where the tractor didn't want to pull any more so I just run it up to 2500 rpm. Out came the rest of the cable attached to a 5 foot long piece of 2 inch angle. I'd say it was pulling just fine and you would too if you saw my destroyed yard from the cable being ripped out.
Something had to be wrong with yours because mine is no lawn tractor. I had driven a gear and didn't see the night and day difference as you did with yours.

 

[sodamo]

Just to add abit. I agree with the other posters. I love my CK30HST and respect its power. Last month I had a delivery truck - type with about 20 flat bed that couldn't make it up the incline in my unfinished driveway after dropping my 3000 gallon water tank - seems the volcanic clay is more like grease with right amount of water. Anyway, just hooked a chain to his front end and my CK30HST easily pulled him to the top. Unfortunately, he still couldn't get sufficient traction so I gingerly nosed my bucket against rear end of truck and effortless pushed him out the gate.
A couple days later, my plumber's 4x4 F150 was in the same drive, rained most of the day. When he tried to leave, all he could do was spin - again, my CK30HST to the rescue. Have to admit, I was (still am) pretty dang proud of the little beast.

David

 

[Ricktx]

I have the CK30HST and it will spin all 4 tires on a dry concrete slab when in low gear and up against a large stump; No problem with power to the wheels. I worked it real hard moving an old shed slab; 6.5' x 10' x 4-5" thick; I estimate about 3600 lbs. Spun all four tires then too when the slab dug in. I ended up ramping it up onto cut telephone pole pieces to use as rollers. I could not lift it or break it and ended up calling in the big guns to haul it away.
I am very happy with the performance/power.

It must have been a defect and the dealer did not catch it.

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[MotorSeven]

Hey David, what tires do you have, AG or ID?

RD

 

[mrutkaus]

I was pulling two '76 Mercedes 450SEL's hooked together thru the woods when I only got about 15 feet before the CK30HST started chattering and spinning various wheels.

I checked and one of the cars was in PARK!! No trouble after that.

Mike

 

[sodamo]

ID / R4's

I have managed to fill em up and get stuck, but just temporarily.

 

[Kiohio]

What range was the unit in?

KO

 

[HODAK]

Probably the range that is seldom used.........HI.

By the way, the HST has three ranges /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif and it is a great lawnmower ............(among many other things) /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif.