CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours

/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #221  
I doubt that the nice folk at Kioti decided to replace the engine out of the kindness of their hearts. They did it because it would have been way cheaper than a lawsuit and the "earned good will" is priceless. Just look at all they love they are getting!
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #222  
Great job handling this in a calm and professional manner rather than with threats. I think Kioti's response further proves this was not caused by abuse to the tractor too. Just a fluke manufacturing defect no doubt.
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #223  
Makes you proud to be a Kiotian.. or something like that. It really is good news..
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #225  
I doubt that the nice folk at Kioti decided to replace the engine out of the kindness of their hearts. They did it because it would have been way cheaper than a lawsuit and the "earned good will" is priceless. Just look at all they love they are getting!

Have to say I respectfully disagree with the avoidance of a suit thinking. This outcome is a best practice result of Kioti's corporate decision making skills. No suit would have stuck for a second; off warranty would have it headed into the ditch.
Yes good will is a certain benefit, but it cuts both ways. Everyone wins, including Paul's friend! Paul has friends? Who knew?!:eek:
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #226  
I doubt that the nice folk at Kioti decided to replace the engine out of the kindness of their hearts. They did it because it would have been way cheaper than a lawsuit and the "earned good will" is priceless. Just look at all they love they are getting!

Have to say I respectfully disagree with the avoidance of a suit thinking. This outcome is a best practice result of Kioti's corporate decision making skills. No suit would have stuck for a second; off warranty would have it headed into the ditch.
Yes good will is a certain benefit, but it cuts both ways. Everyone wins, including Paul's friend! Paul has friends? Who knew?!:eek:
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #227  
Been following this thread with interest. Great outcome for Paul, congratulations for handling a tough situation well. Kioti definitely did the stand-up thing. Good company with excellent products; Kioti would most certainly be on my short list if I were ever in the market for another tractor.
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #228  
Have to say I respectfully disagree with the avoidance of a suit thinking. This outcome is a best practice result of Kioti's corporate decision making skills. No suit would have stuck for a second; off warranty would have it headed into the ditch.
Yes good will is a certain benefit, but it cuts both ways. Everyone wins, including Paul's friend! Paul has friends? Who knew?!:eek:

A lawsuit here costs $23.50 to file and we have paralegal consumer groups who will help with the paperwork. I think you are (and have been from the start) confused about who the consumer would be suing in Texas courts. You sue the dealer not some Asian company 10,000 miles east of the Alamo. Dealers don't like going to court. It is time consuming. There are no consumer rights groups to help them with the legal briefs and Kioti likely wouldn't completely cover the costs of attorneys if at all.
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #229  
...congrats! Kioti did the right thing... great product support!
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #230  
Paul never said he had a friend
he has a neighbor who borrowed his tractor :laughing:
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #231  
Thanks everybody for your concern and interest.

Yesterday I was contacted by Kioti customer service via email and also had a phone call from the dealership. Here's the news.

Apparently this matter went all the way back to Daedong in Korea. After careful review, they have decided to replace this engine with a new one, supposedly shipping from the US office in North Carolina, but that's not confirmed. It might have to be sent overseas from Korea. Not sure yet which is correct. Daedong has also stipulated that the dealer will provide the labor for the engine swap. From what I have gleaned through this process, it's my understanding that each dealership is annually rewarded by Kioti with "goodwill" dollars, earned by meeting sales quotas and whatnot. That money is reserved for cases like mine, when they need to pay their own mechanics for this type of in-house work. So, the dealer isn't really out anything here because Kioti provides a kind of safety net through the earned goodwill money. Maybe this is a common practice for all manufacturers; I don't know.

Obviously it's still going to take some time before the CK35 is ready to come home, but you can imagine what a huge relief this is for me. Those of you on this forum who urged me to contact Kioti, and to go back to the dealer, are the ones who are directly responsible for securing this very fortunate turn of events for me. I can't begin to thank you enough. In the beginning when I started this thread, I was ready to write off this tractor and recover what little money out of it that I could get from its broken condition. You folks convinced me to pursue it further. Everything changed in a few hours one afternoon when I spoke to Melissa at Kioti and then drove back to the dealership with hat in hand. That part wasn't easy... I had fired them for ignoring me for eighteen days, and then I had to go back and re-hire them. But, it certainly paid off to do so.

Once again, many thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion, especially a few key folks here who offered some seriously good advice -- you know who you are. There's still more to follow regarding this issue... if I can figure out how to do it, I'll upload some video of the tractor running before it was diagnosed (before I knew how bad it was) to demonstrate what it sounded like, on the slim outside chance that anyone else ever suffers this problem. Meanwhile, those of you who speculated that Kioti would acquit themselves nicely and take the high road by providing out-of-warranty support were absolutely right, as were those of you who called for engine replacement. I did not expect and certainly could not have asked for a better outcome from Kioti.

Thanks Kioti and especially all you TBN folks.

Great to hear! That's really the most reasonable way to make you whole and restore confidence in your tractor. It is the Right Thing to do - and they're doing it anyway!!!

Congratulations! You stuck it out, found the person authorized to say "Yes", and got them to do so. Kioti was given an opportunity to enhance their reputation, and was smart enough to do so. And I'd bet your local dealer will take great care of you in the future - you are his best advertisement!
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #232  
I doubt that the nice folk at Kioti decided to replace the engine out of the kindness of their hearts. They did it because it would have been way cheaper than a lawsuit and the "earned good will" is priceless. Just look at all they love they are getting!
Very positive response.Always glad to have a negative nellie in the crowd..To the OP great news glad to hear Kioti is helping you..
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #233  
Customer = satisfied
PR = Priceless

IMO the sales that will result from their decision will be returned much more than tenfold.
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #234  
Well I did not have much to add to the technical discussion as I am not really very qualified on this subject, but I am sure glad Kioti will help out the OP. It is good to see a corporation step and and do the right thing.
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #235  
Paul has friends? Who knew?!:eek:

Yes! One or two, but I am afraid that they will fade when they finally get all their own attachments and don't need me anymore!:rolleyes:
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #237  
Good to know there are companies out there that stand behind their product, even in a situation where they might not be legally obligated to do so.
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #238  
I'm not going to be too quick at playing taps over this engine. Ventilation holes from a broken rod would have me hooking it up to the anchor chain if that were the case. Let's wait until we know the full extent of the damage B4 we break out the black arm bands.

Ventilation holes? Escape holes is more like it. I was racing a Nissan once when the number three rod decided it was sick and tired of living in the only **** it had ever known. It waited for the right moment and made a break for it. A bunch of oil witnessed the rod making its getaway and after a split-second look-around for the guards decided it was now or never and took off after the rod. It landed on the header collector and it wasn't but a few seconds after that I was making MY escape from the vehicle.
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #239  
Ventilation holes? Escape holes is more like it. I was racing a Nissan once when the number three rod decided it was sick and tired of living in the only **** it had ever known. It waited for the right moment and made a break for it. A bunch of oil witnessed the rod making its getaway and after a split-second look-around for the guards decided it was now or never and took off after the rod. It landed on the header collector and it wasn't but a few seconds after that I was making MY escape from the vehicle.

Did Nissan replace the motor?
 
/ CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours #240  
Did Nissan replace the motor?

:D No. It was a 500$ junkyard beater turned into a 24-hour endurance racer. If Nissan knew about it, they would glance around suspiciously, pull their trench coat collar up around their neck, and sneak away into the night.
 

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