CNH T1030 v. BX2350 v. JD2305

[kubota2630]

B.E. Larkin. They gave me a great deal.

 

[jcaledon]

Kubota2630,

Thanks for the info. I went to B.E.Larkin earlier today, and found them to be much more helpful than Stewart's. I got a B2620 priced out, and its about 3k more than the BX2350. But its a much bigger tractor, has the foldable rops I need, three speed transmission, drive over deck, and bigger loader. How do you find your B2630 (should be comparable to the B2620) handles on slopes? The BX is lower, but the B2620 would be wider, thereby compensating for the increased height? I should check out the JD2320 as well. It seems pretty comparable to the new B series. How did the two compare in price when you were buying, and what type of discount were you able to negotiate off of list when you bought your B2630? The dealer discounted the B2620 by about 10.5%.

They have a TZ25 in the crate, which would fit my needs quite well (except for the rops) which I think they would like to unload given that the new models will be coming out soon. They are going to get me a price on it next week. I'm thinking that they should price it out less than I was quoted for a new BX2350. The seat pan issue on the TZ's is a concern for me - does anyone know whether New Holland came up with a fix for this. The dealer tells me that he's never seen a TZ come back for warranty work for this issue. I've seen pictures posted showing the cracks - and the design seems to be really crummy. That's a safety issue for sure, which IMHO requires a recall.

I'm going to the Farm Show on Wednesday with my wife, and will probably make a decision when there. I will let you know how it goes. But I would really like to hear back from B2630 owners to find out how their machines handle on slopes. Diddo for JD2320 owners. Are they less stable than the BX2350 or JD2305 would be, or are they pretty much the same?

 

[canoetrpr]

I get all my parts etc. from B.E. Larkin and they are a good place to deal with. The parts guys are great and go out of their way.

The sales manager Mark is a good guy. I had a sales guy - Josh - price me out a L3540 back when I had the bug a month or so ago. He have me quite a good price for it and was a pleasant guy to deal with it. I've decided to stay with my L3400 for now but I would definately stop by there again when shopping in the future.

jcaledon. I don't think that I would hesitate to get the B2630 over the BX. They are a lot more tractor for not much more money. I would imagine that it would be more stable in general. I would get the tires loaded for a hilly area.

 

[kubota2630]

jcaledon, sorry I didn't get back to you but I've been away. I think you'll find John Deere & Kubota are priced very close H.P. to H.P., B series compared to 2000 series. I love my 2630. It is very stable on hills but I have a 60" snowblower on the back. I don't have anything to compare it too but it seems very stable. The power of this tractor sure surprises me every time I use it. As far as discount goes I'm not sure about % but another dealer told me to buy from Larkin because he won't touch the price. Take your time, don't rush, they came to me with a great deal because I was going with John Deere.
Good luck.

 

[jcaledon]

Hi guys,

I went to the Farm Equipment Show in Toronto, and was disappointed not to see John Deere or New Holland there. Kubota had a nice display, including the B2320. I have decided to move up to a compact tractor. For not much more, I get foldable rops, heavier frame, proper transmission cooler, etc. etc. I've got it down to either the JD2320 or the Kubota B2620. The price on these two tractors is almost identical.

I have to echo some of the comments I have read on the Kubota forum. The overall design of the new B is fantastic, but they fell short on some of the finishing touches. The Deere 2320 (which is two years old now) has better: PTO engagement; position control; beefier frame; larger loader and 3pt capacity; one piece cowling; brush guard folds down to allow easier access to the engine for maintenance; the loader comes standard with the quick attach bucket; IMO, the brake location is much better on the Deere. The imatch system on the Deeere is a bonus too, especially with the drive over deck.

The engines on the two are almost identical in terms of displacement. This gross horsepower thing is bogus - I'm assuming that the Deere has more, or at least equal torque.

The plastic cowling on the Kubota looks sooo cheap. Those side panels look like something I would find on my son's plastic toys, not a tractor. Its a good thing Kubota is super reliable because these things were not meant to last if you had to remove them very often.

So given the above, why would I even consider the Kubota? One answer, the three speed hydro. The operator platform is better on the Kubota than it is on the Deere. Why does the Deere's loader stick have to come out as much as it does? The new B's operator platform is super nice. The Deere's isn't bad, but its not as roomy.

As I mentioned before, I have a big hill in my yard. I have heard from others on the forum that the 2320 can't mow hills in high. How fast is low on the Deere? Am I losing that much in terms of speed. Will it make a big difference since I have a lot of trees, and not a lot of open runs? How easy is it to switch from low to high, and back again? I'm primarily going to be using the tractor for mowing. I suspect that the Kubota would perform better in this capacity, I would just leave it in medium and let her fly, but I like the features found on the Deere. I'd be interested to hear opinions from others who have the 2320, on their experience with mowing hills, and how fast or slow the Deere is in this regard.

If I am not satisfied that the Deere will perform well in terms of mowing/climbing hills, then I will reluctantly go with the Kubota. I would feel better about it if the Kubota was one to two thousand dollars less than the Deere - but they are exactly the same price - I feel like I'm getting ripped off. I think that Kubota really missed the mark here. With a few added features here and there, they would have a machine that would be unmatched by the competition.

I'm sure that someone will say that I can move up to the 2630 series to get all the features that I'm complaining about, but then I would be spending a lot more money, and I'm at the limit of my budget. And why would I - Deere seems able to offer these features at the same price (minus the three speed hydro!).

Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[canoetrpr]

jcaledon:

I can't comment on the specific machines you are considering but I too was dissapointed to not find a NH exhibit at the farm show and the JD one was way small.

You might also want to find a NH dealer and take a look at their sub-compacts and also look at the Kioti CK20. There is an excellent Kioti dealer in Uxbridge - probably 50 min or so away from you - Lakeridge Country Equipment.

 

[CinderSchnauzer]

jcaledon

Try asking for input on mowing capabilities of the 2320 in the JD forum.

This data is from the JD 2320 manual:

Ground Speeds
NOTE: All ground speed calculations shown are with machine equipped with standard tires and operated at 2600 engine rpm.

Forward - Range High 0-18.2 km/h (0-11.3 mph)
Reverse - Range High 0-9.1 km/h (0-5.7 mph)
Forward and Reverse - Range Low 0-7.3 km/h (0-4.5 mph)

 

[wny770]

I own a TZ25 with the sensitrack. It only has about 100 hours on it, but I love it. It mows my 3+ acres well (all hilly), Runs my 52" tiller easily and blows snow with my 52 " 3 point blower. For its size, it's impressive. I went with a smaller tractor so I could cut in tight spots, and I'm not sorry one bit. Of course, just my opinion.

 

[jcaledon]

WNY770,

The TZ certainly looks like a great machine. As a mowing machine, and for my purposes, it looks to be superior to both the 2305 and BX23 because of the sensitrak. The New Holland dealer that had initially suggested the TZ25, and was looking into whether I could swap folding rops, has now advised that they can't put a foldable rops on it. I have about 14 fruit trees on my property with low hanging branches that I need to mow in and around, so I need the folding rops. Once you start having to spend extra on these features, it makes sense to just move up to a compact, as these features come standard. I was quoted about $1,500 more for the T1030 than the TZ25. That basically gets me into the same price range as the JD2320 and B2620. If the new T1030 was closer in price to the TZ25 I would give it more consideration. These New Hollands are more expensive than I had expected! Although I have to say that their package is very nice - I can't justify the premium, when compared to the competition.

 

[73jeep]

May want to throw the new upcoming Massey Ferguson 2400 into the mix?
Nice looking little subcompact.

www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachm...d1202698954-gc2400-gc2610-thats-comming-2.jpg

 

[ChuckinNH]

I was just looking at the first pictures of the new Massey CG2410 in the Massey Ferguson section, and have to comment here that it is really refreshing to see a manufacturer respond to the desires of it's users as Massey has seen fit to do with this new model. It strikes me that they take this market segment seriously, and have to be voted "most improved" in their efforts to satisfy customers. There have been minor complaints on the existing GC2310 like gages, and the new one has the requested gages; Brake location, it has been moved to the left side; things like backhoe controls seem more robust, and protected from the elements, and not less, as is the loader joystick. The list reads like a shopping list, and it's impressive how well Massey has listened, and acted on customer input.

I have to say that my hat is off to a company that has seemed to listen, instead of dictate, and improve rather than cheapen. If I were going to buy a tractor of this size, I certainly would look closely at this one! I already liked their large, low rpm, and quiet engine, and the smooth backhoe response, and power at more quiet rpm's.

 

[beckmurph]

Last spring I was trying to make a choice between the TZ25 and the BX2350. I actually prefered the TZ25. The mower deck was quieter , the dash was more informative that the BX, and I liked the way the throttle was setup. But in the end the seat, and the way it was mounted on the TZ stopped me from buying at the time. CNH had a better rate than Kubota, and I put off purchasing at that time.
After hearing that NH had redesigned the TZ's I stopped by the local dealer today and got a look at the T1010/T1030. This dealer also sells Kubota's so I could look at both the T1010/1030, the TZ25 and the BX2350. NH has moved the brake pedal on the T1010/1030 to the left side like Massey did. The seat has been redesigned and has a better looking mount that the TZ did. It might actually sit a little lower on the frame than it did on the TZ's. It was cold and damp out today, so I didn't try the new seat out. NH has dropped the 54" deck and only offers the 60incher now. The NH's are still several hundred dollars more that the Kubota's, but they are worth looking at in my opinion.

 

[jcaledon]

The biggest gripe I had with the BX was its uncomfortable seat and the fading paint of the tractors which the dealer had on the lot. I went to another Kubota dealer, and the Kubota's didn't seem nearly as worn out. I think that this was a function of the particular dealer keeping stock outside for a long time. The BX seat has been corrected, and here in Canada, the price of the BX has been further reduced such that the BX2350 is about $1500 less than a JD2305. The NH are pretty expensive, although they appear to be fantastic machines. Given my reservations, I couldn't justify the extra money when I had really good alternatives available.

After all of that, I bought a B2620 earlier this week. A B2320 is about the same price of a JD2305. But the Kubota gives you a liquid cooled transmission instead of the fan, stronger and faster hydraulics, three speed hydro, folding rops, drive over deck etc. Moving up to the B2620 gave me a lot more power (its not just an extra 3 hp, the engine is about 15% larger, so setup of the engine is such that it should have considerably more torque), and a larger footprint (wider tires), and a much stronger loader.

All in all, I'm very happy with my choice. I'm going to be using it primarily for mowing, and I have some large hills to mow, so the three range hydro on the B should be fantastic.

 

[jcaledon]

P.S. With Kubota's new pricing here in Canada, the B2620 came in about $2,000.00 less than the JD2320. That's what sealed the deal for me. It was a toss up for me when they were priced the same. When the prices came down in Canada on the Kubota's, it became a no brainer.

 

[canoetrpr]

jcaledon - congrats!

 

[J Penner]

I am the owner of a T 1030 and have logged on 187 hrs with no problems as long as the dealer does a proper pre delivery they work great,the mower deck is very tough and the tractor has good power.I was a tech at case and we made sure all points were set properly,to many places don't check hyds and linkages settings on pto thus causing problems,the kubota dealer where i worked at one point had issues of all kinds due to poor pre delivery.the reason i went with NH was due to the fact that case and NH merged and the case tractors were indentical to the NH and then due to politics in the company,NH got it so case couldnt sell them any more due to case having a patent on the stieger quad track and on the record sales out selling NH so if your wondering they are identical other than front grill and lights