Colorado wolf reintroduction

   / Colorado wolf reintroduction #71  
Ha I see, It's different here in canada, so that's why I am confuse... Purchase from who ?

Private sellers, businesses, or sometimes the feds will buy from the state. We just gained 4400 acres of public land that was bought from an energy company...
 
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Private sellers, businesses, or sometimes the feds will buy from the state. We just gained 4400 acres of public land that was bought from an energy company...

ha ok gotcha.... private proprety get purchase by the state or federal to become public land...
 
   / Colorado wolf reintroduction #73  
ha ok gotcha.... private proprety get purchase by the state or federal to become public land...
Most often it’s trading of parcels between public and private ownership. Some public lands are located close to communities and are wanted for development. The private owner will trade more remote lands adjacent to public lands that are better managed for natural resources and public uses.
 
   / Colorado wolf reintroduction #74  
I would agree but I am still wondering what cost public land bring to the table ? from what I can see it only bring revenue but I could be wrong...

I hate the left idea of what a wolf is, they think it's a cute big dog and they are deeply afraid of humans, yes they avoid you if they can but when you get face to face with one or many you better don't turn your back on them, and yet they are avoiding you because of hunting and trapping. I am against the protection of them, if you don't want to hunt them because the number are too small that's ok I agree with that but full on protection I strongly disagree that's pretty much the extent of my position.
From what I just looked up, the 2 acts I listed combine for just under $3 billion a year, and that's just 2 congressional funding requirements.
I tend to try and lean into the opinions of professionals. I would want to make decisions based off of what the biologists like Diane Boyd say. After their opinion, then the public debate can start.
I only have a few personal stories regarding wolves. They are a fascinating animal to me, maybe my favorite in nature. I teach my students as much as I have and can learn about them. But I am not naive to what they are. Maybe contributes to my fascination.
There is a great scene in Hostile Planet episode on the Grasslands. It is of the largest wolves on earth in Alberta hunting a woods bison. Its just awesome to watch, but it ends how you expect it too and the footage does not hide it. It is a lesson to my students. This is how it really is.
 
   / Colorado wolf reintroduction #75  
I'm OK with the higher predators around. God knows we have deer enough.
BUT....

If livestock is lost, the process to be restored $$$ should be as simple as having a game wardens signature, and payment made from an established fund . (Which on a national level would be VERY SMALL PEANUTS!)

Cat? Good riddance. Dogs? Keep 'em close!

We don't have Catamounts in Vermont, but when you see one, you are not supposed to shoot it. ;-)
 
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From what I just looked up, the 2 acts I listed combine for just under $3 billion a year, and that's just 2 congressional funding requirements.
I tend to try and lean into the opinions of professionals. I would want to make decisions based off of what the biologists like Diane Boyd say. After their opinion, then the public debate can start.
I only have a few personal stories regarding wolves. They are a fascinating animal to me, maybe my favorite in nature. I teach my students as much as I have and can learn about them. But I am not naive to what they are. Maybe contributes to my fascination.
There is a great scene in Hostile Planet episode on the Grasslands. It is of the largest wolves on earth in Alberta hunting a woods bison. Its just awesome to watch, but it ends how you expect it too and the footage does not hide it. It is a lesson to my students. This is how it really is.

I have heard many stories from my grandpa and his friends like how they landed on a fresh kill site of a young cow that one single wolf took down, one of my uncle have been trapping for 30 some years, he got circled around by a pack once, he climb the beaver hut and waited out, we don’t comprehend or appreciate their intelligent until you try to trap one.

I have a big one rooming around my property, it’s the second year I see tracks I have seen him a few times last year a big one probably 100lbs he didn’t seem to care about me when I saw him he looked at me and carried on, he hasn’t came close to my horses yet but still a hairy feeling wen I go in the bush with my 3 dogs I don’t think he would go after them while I am around but more my dogs going after him… he has snatch a few dogs in my area…

I think I agreed with everything Dian said in the podcast other then her dismissal of wolf attacks, like from WW1 or WW2 against soldiers, that’s well documented from written account and testimonies and it happen in both wars, I personally watched interviews from veterans talking about. The Natives have stories of attack against them from their elders it happens, there are recent documentation in Canada and Alaska as well, super rare yes but many completely dismiss it but it happens.

from wiki

“The country with the most extensive historical records is France, where nearly 10,000 fatal attacks were documented from 1200 to 1920.[1][2][3] A study by the Norwegian Institute of Nature Research showed that there were eight fatal attacks in Europe and Russia, three in North America, and more than 200 in south Asia in the half-century up to 2002.[4] The updated edition of the study revealed 498 attacks on humans worldwide for the years 2002 to 2020, with 25 deaths, including 14 attributed to rabies.[5]


“Wolf biologist L. David Mech hypothesized in 1998 that wolves generally avoid humans because of fear instilled by hunting.“

 
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   / Colorado wolf reintroduction #78  
I wonder sometimes about animals being afraid of humans due to hunting. But with wolves I can understand it. Wolves are smart. At the University of Washington a study was done with crows. People put on masks that were unique and trapped crows while wearing the masks. While in captivity the crows were fed and so on. People who fed the crows and treated them nice wore one mask and people who trapped and treated them not so nicely wore a different mask. I wouldn't be at all surprised if wolves, coyotes, and bears can disseminate knowledge of threats that span generations. In the case of the Seattle crows they have done so for at least 17 years. Here is a link that explains the study way better than I just did, and there are many more: Crows hold grudges against individual humans for up to 17 years | Urban@UW
Eric
 
   / Colorado wolf reintroduction #79  
The real question is how many stoners will a wolf need to eat to get a buzz?
 
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I wonder sometimes about animals being afraid of humans due to hunting. But with wolves I can understand it. Wolves are smart. At the University of Washington a study was done with crows. People put on masks that were unique and trapped crows while wearing the masks. While in captivity the crows were fed and so on. People who fed the crows and treated them nice wore one mask and people who trapped and treated them not so nicely wore a different mask. I wouldn't be at all surprised if wolves, coyotes, and bears can disseminate knowledge of threats that span generations. In the case of the Seattle crows they have done so for at least 17 years. Here is a link that explains the study way better than I just did, and there are many more: Crows hold grudges against individual humans for up to 17 years | Urban@UW
Eric
that’s nuts … crows are very smart … it’s a proven study that parents translate knowledge to they offspring, there’s a study conducted with mouse where they would make them learn a task once mastered they would mate them take their offsprings and put them through the same task as they did with their parents and they would learn it 40% quicker.
 

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