Compact Diesel trucks that we can't get here

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I used to work for an electrician who had a Caravan that we used to haul supplies around. He had pulled the rear seats, it had shelves built against the walls, we put wire or fixtures in the middle and ladders on the roofrack.
Its amazing how much stuff would fit in that thing.

Yeah, the Chrysler minivans get credit (?) for boosting that segment, tho the VW Vanagon really started it. Chrysler
still has near half of the US market share, and the other near-half goes to the Sienna/Odyssey pair.

I am surprised we don't see diesels in this segment. Minivans are no longer really "mini", weighing in at well North of
2 tons, and loaded with features.
 
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I am surprised we don't see diesels in this segment. Minivans are no longer really "mini", weighing in at well North of
2 tons, and loaded with features.
When in Argentina, I drove a Kia Carnival (aka Sedona) which had a 2.9L turbodiesel engine. It was a decent machine IIRC.

Aaron Z
 
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Yeah, the Chrysler minivans get credit (?) for boosting that segment, tho the VW Vanagon really started it. Chrysler
still has near half of the US market share, and the other near-half goes to the Sienna/Odyssey pair.

I am surprised we don't see diesels in this segment. Minivans are no longer really "mini", weighing in at well North of
2 tons, and loaded with features.

It is unfortunate that the VW/Chrysler pairing here didn't last longer..... if VW had dropped a tdi into that Routan, it would have taken years to clear the sales backlog.

Rgds, D.
 
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It is unfortunate that the VW/Chrysler pairing here didn't last longer..... if VW had dropped a tdi into that Routan, it would have taken years to clear the sales backlog.

Rgds, D.

I agree, if it had the Tdi it would be a seller, but I bet chrysler wouldnt let VW do it to undercut their sales. In reality, the VW was just an expensive caravan with a nose job lol.

If VW was serious about this segment they would have brought over the Transporter, in 2wd,4wd and DoKa like they did back in the day. VW still hasnt even brought the Amarok here which is a real head shaker considering theyd sell everyone they brought in with the diesel.

Would consumers and more importantly fleets, like municipalities, buy DoKa Vw's with Pritche bodies for work trucks?
Crafter:
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What about Ford Transits?
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Or would they stay with domestic pickup or C+C that they get for low bidder? I suspect this is the case unfortunately. When MB brought over Unimog, I figured that municipalities would snap them up even at their higher pricetag because it allowed one vehicle to do everything from streetsweep to mow grass and be productive 100% of the time instead of having dedicated, single purpose vehicles like street sweepers used only a few times a year. But then I underestimated the stupidity and lack of forward thinking of the bidding process and government in general.
 
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It looks like we now can get a diesel option in the full-size Transit in Canada.

2015 Ford Transit Work Trucks | View Full Specification Library | Ford.ca

Has anybody seen the fuel consumption ratings on that combo ?
Rgds, D.

Interesting theyre offering the 3.2l. I wish they would offer the 2.2l for higher fuel economy.

From an Expediters forum it sounds like about 9.5l/100


Hey yall

I have been driving this new transit since Aug 6.

After now 14,500km and several long hauls.. south carolina, pa, virginia.. etc. I am pleased to say everything is awesome as expected and this is a great van that can make you good money being based in the Hamilton,Ontario area

the gas mileage has gone down to an average of 9.5l/100km 24.6 mpg
The range i get when i fill up is generally 1050km

Handles good, takes heavy loads just fine.. up to 3000lb for the 250
Def level is still ok and the only thing that ive had to add so far is Windshield Fluid lol

I changed teh initial oil at 5000km as its a good idea for engine break in the oil is starting to be black again but there is an Oil light that will go on with 10% oil life remaining. I am curious to see what the oil change interval will be with my type of driving

It takes 11.6 l of oil so after i switch to synethic the oil changes will still run almost 200$ just like a Sprinter. so really there is no savings on Oil changes as compared to a sprinter because of how much oil you need

at this rate ill have like 170,000km by next summer. ill update this post and post some pictures of the van in the near future
 
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Looking at the C+C brochure from Ford UK, the Transit with the 2.2l diesel, depending on HP gets from 8.0-10.7l/100 urban and 7.0-7.8l/100 highway. Thats pretty impressive (30ish Mpg)

Interesting that Ford Uk offers "Off the shelf" Dump (AKA tipper), Dropside,Van and Curtainside models of Transit.

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Interesting theyre offering the 3.2l. I wish they would offer the 2.2l for higher fuel economy.

From an Expediters forum it sounds like about 9.5l/100


Hey yall

I have been driving this new transit since Aug 6.

After now 14,500km and several long hauls.. south carolina, pa, virginia.. etc. I am pleased to say everything is awesome as expected and this is a great van that can make you good money being based in the Hamilton,Ontario area

the gas mileage has gone down to an average of 9.5l/100km 24.6 mpg
The range i get when i fill up is generally 1050km

Decent mileage for real world use. Thanks for digging that up.

Rgds, D.
 
/ Compact Diesel trucks that we can't get here #209  
Looking at the C+C brochure from Ford UK, the Transit with the 2.2l diesel, depending on HP gets from 8.0-10.7l/100 urban and 7.0-7.8l/100 highway. Thats pretty impressive (30ish Mpg)

Interesting that Ford Uk offers "Off the shelf" Dump (AKA tipper), Dropside,Van and Curtainside models of Transit.

transiddump_zps3452e237.jpg

Makes sense for short-haul vocational work - esp. in Europe, but also in our big cities here too. Even driving just a car around the old parts of Toronto or Montreal (or most of Vancouver) can be "fun".

Given the volume you can stuff into a Transit, I'd want the larger diesel - for personal long haul driving/towing. We should be seeing some Transit based mini-motorhomes in the coming seasons - looks like you can go DRW too.

I don't know the history/lineage of the diesels in these Transits.... I'm hoping Renze or somebody else with direct experience with these stops by.....

Rgds, D.
 
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Has anybody figured out if the big Transit here is RWD or FWD ?

All I found on the ford.ca site was a reference to 4x2. They seem to be playing a bit coy on that, I won't be surprised at FWD.

Rgds, D.
 
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Owned a 1980 Datsun (what they called them before Nissan) King Cab and put over 250,000 trouble free miles (not kilometres) on it before changing up to a 1985 Toyota diesel pickup which went 523,000 kilometres (about 300,000 miles) before dropping a valve seat. Loved them both; the Toyota more because it was 4x4 while the Datsun was only available in two wheel. The toy got about 34 miles to the gallon (non-turbo) and would love if they offered them today but no such luck up here
 
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Also had a 1978 Chev 1/2 ton diesel with the converted Olds 350 motor. Was worse than the dodge! Always said I paid $12,000 for a Chevette because that's what I drove most of the time I owned it!
 
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Don't know how it got here or who owns it but one is running around Huntsville, Ontario as we speak. I think it might fit in the 8 ft. box of my Tundra
:D:D:D:thumbsup: Rgds, D.
 
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Don't know how it got here or who owns it but one is running around Huntsville, Ontario as we speak. I think it might fit in the 8 ft. box of my Tundra

I remember doing those smileys, but not the vehicle..... whatcha got up there firemech ?

Rgds, D.
 
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Ze Germans are known for their conservatism.
What about tow ratings of passenger cars ? Though i have pulled 2 ton tractors (loaded trailer 2500kg or 5500lbs) with my 2.5TDI, it is legally allowed to pull 1600kg or 3500lbs.
In the USA passenger cars arent allowed to pull that much ??

Back when i was still in the trailer, and air brake/5th wheel tractor conversion business, the Sprinter was allowed 8750kg or 19290 pounds combined vehicle weight. but i hear nowadays they go to 22000lbs by special DOT approval, only in case of 5th wheel tractor.

Mercedes discontinued the Vario this year. a 6.5 and 7.5 ton truck with the 4.2 liter engine of the Atego. The old ones from the 70s are often still in use, and with 80hp were dead slow, but lasted forever. Mercedes-Benz T2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The last generation ran 90-140hp or so from a 4 cylinder long stroke truck engine, yet MB doesnt build this 4.2 liter engine at this low power output anymore. at UPS the Varios are replaced by Sprinters, uprated to 5.3 ton, having the same load capacity as the old Vario because the Sprinter is so much lighter.

The Vario or T2 resembled the US style of building small commercial vehicles, except for having a low speed Diesel tractor engine instead of a relatively high powered gasser.

The Sprinter by the way, is a framed truck in chassis/cab. Two Omega profiles are pressed and rollwelded together to form a tube, or in an enclosed van, the body is welded to the lower Omega profile. Thats where it gets its great torsional rigidity from. If you compare it to an Iveco Daily with its body on frame construction, the ride is much better and the towing ability too, because this superlight ladderframe is shaking underneath the body.
 
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What about tow ratings of passenger cars ? Though i have pulled 2 ton tractors (loaded trailer 2500kg or 5500lbs) with my 2.5TDI, it is legally allowed to pull 1600kg or 3500lbs.
In the USA passenger cars arent allowed to pull that much ??
Yes they are, my '97 Volvo V90 is rated to tow 3500# as was my wife's '02 Caravan (both ratings were for a braked load).

Aaron Z
 
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What about tow ratings of passenger cars ? Though i have pulled 2 ton tractors
(loaded trailer 2500kg or 5500lbs) with my 2.5TDI, it is legally allowed to pull 1600kg or 3500lbs.
In the USA passenger cars arent allowed to pull that much ??

It's the subject of a whole 'nother thread. It is a long one on TBN if you can find it.

Manufacturers set the tow limits, and you have to dig for them for cars. After-mkt makers make
most hitches (Draw-tite, Curt, etc.) and they set limits, too. Hitches are made for most vehicles,
even if the car maker is mute on towing, or specifies no towing.

The car makers have arkane or arbitrary limits on the tow capability of cars, though there seems
to be an industry spec that applies limits on towing based on how fast you can go up a certain
grade.

Seems to me that virtually any car can tow a trailer if you can make or have made a hitch that
attaches properly to subframe members. Indeed I helped my bro get a hitch for his 2010 MX5 Miata.

US car makers seem to discourage towing with cars, steering buyers to pickups and vans. In the
old days, car towing was common here. Indeed, in the 60s, my dad towed a travel trailer that must have
weighed over 4T with a Ford wagon with large V8 engine and weight-distributing hitch.
 
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1) Manuf. here make more money up-selling people into full-size trucks for personal use. Oil companies too. Govts too.

2) 3500# can be found in mini-vans, not typically in cars here. Bigger Volvos being one exception.

3) Many automatics in cars here are marginal under heavy use, not really suited to towing.

4) IMO, a small vehicle w. a diesel and a manual transmission will survive towing duty better than the typical small gas engined vehicle w. automatic transmission. That statement presumes the driver knows how to use a clutch properly - which is getting to be a rare skill in Canada/USA.

(Yes, I know light trucks here typ. have higher tow ratings for automatics - I'm talking about cars. And, I've always felt the higher Auto tow rating in trucks in part reflected the limited skills base here re. driving Standard trans.).

5) Scattered amongst various threads here you can find examples of light vehicles that are tow rated higher, outside of Canada/USA. Same vehicle/engine/trans. , just different countries.

Rgds, D.
 
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Why not identify why we can't buy what we want and change it! HS
 

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