Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports

   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports #61  
......In reality many home hobbyist's would like a plasma cutter....but perhaps don't really need one. If you are only cutting steel...and only doing it occasionally....and don't already have an oxy-acetylene torch setup in your shop...then that is probably the best choice!

Jim Colt

Unfortunately if I want a set of OA torches my insurance company calls it an added fire risk and I have to pay extra. If a fire happens and you don't notify the insurer then they can refuse to pay on any claim. I have no idea if all insurers are the same or if it's just mine. The costs of the tanks is also an issue since you'll most likely be renting them (no local companies will sell large gas cylinders). Paying rental for tanks that sit in the corner for months without use sucks.

My original intent was to go with OA. I really would like to be able to heat metal up to bend it. But unlike a plasma cutter there were lots of extra costs that add up when I wasn't using it.

BTW I don't see your posts as a "hate" thing. If anything I think your a little overly passionate for Hypertherm, understandably so. I have to believe if I was in your position I would be too.
 
   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports #62  
Buy the smaller tanks?

Its what I did. I have no leases on anything (Mig or OA tanks). Doesnt cost a thing sitting there.

In truth, for most "tractor" owners OA is a better setup. You cant heat rusted bolts with plasma nor can you bend metal.

Yes, its not as idiot proof and not as sexy, but OA has been around for a heck of a long time. Plus its more portable and requires no air or electricity.

On insurance, id shop around, mine tried to claim I was a business, but after showing proof they relented. There is no added cost to OA. Does yours charge more if you have a welder?
 
   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports #63  
FYI.... IOC (Indiana Oxygen Company) sells new 80 Cubic Feet bottles on their website. They come with a current 10 year hydro test, shipped empty (of course) for less than 150 bucks a bottle.

I have probably 6 or so with various gasses and my company name stenciled on the outside. I take 'em in to get filled (not exchanged).

80's are a handy size, have the screw down cap (instead of the open valve) and even in a production situation, last a long time. I typically run a couple large spools of solid wire to one bottle with the pulsed MIG.

Around here, a hydro test is 15 bucks and good for 10 years. I believe that 10 year standaard is nationwide.

Again, I prefer the 80's. I have a couple large size (also owned) bottles that are a PITA to move around.
 
   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports #64  
I saw some 20's at the store, made me proud of my 80's.
 
   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports #65  
HI Guys,

I had Tim do a video on Pilot Arc importance for a plasma cutter. Here is the video:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDBG67z-nj4]LONGEVITY Pilot Arc Plasma Cutter: What is Pilot Arc? Plasma Cutter Review - YouTube[/ame]


Hope it helps with your buying choices.

Simon
 
   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports #66  
However...You should state that the pilot arc also reduces consumable life....
 
   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports
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To add to the pilot arc video:

-There are pilot arc torches that use high voltage / high frequency to ionize the plasma gas (air) and there are pilot arc torches that use the blowback starting method to ionize the air. Both types will fire a non transferred pilot arc in the air.

- Many plasma systems allow the use of a selector switch to determine if the pilot arc is allowed to refire when cutting expanded metal as shown in the video. This is a key feature that dramatically improves nozzle life when cutting on normal plate, yet allows for the pilot arc to rmain on when cutting expanded metal or wire grating.

-More advanced plasma systems also have circuitry know as the pilot arc controller.....a separate IGBT controlled circuit that reduces current flow through the nozzle when in the expanded metal cutting mode....again a feature that increases consumable life. This circuit rapidly drops the amperage (in a few miliseconds) to a level that is less damaging to the consumables....then when the metal reappears...just as quickly ramps back up to cutting amperage.

The primary function of the pilot arc is to maintain ionization between the torch electrode (negative) and nozzle (positive when the arc is not cutting metal), secondarily, it allows the torch to transfer to the positive plate from a much higher distance in mechanized cutting applications....allowing for more room so the molten metal pierce blowback does not damage the torch consumables, and third, the pilot arc allows for much better transfer on painted, coated, or dirty, rusty plates being cut.

Since the pilot arc is a plasma arc between the electrode and the nozzle...the heat load of this arc stays in the torch, with most of it transferring to the nozzle. It is important that the pilot are on time remain at a minimum, and that a pilot arc controller circuit that reacts quickly is part of the design, thereby improving consumable life and reducing the cost per foot of cut.

Jim Colt
 
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Thanks for the clarification Jim
 
   / Comparing Major Brand Plasma systems to low cost imports #69  
In addition to our video, the model shown is a High Voltage design. We also have some blow back models as well for those who require frequency free arc starting.

The blow back mechanism are preferred for CNC tables as most tables out there do not like High Frequency or High Voltage starting.

I wish we could put all that in a video, but who wants to see a man talking about plasma cutters starting arc for more than 5 minutes?
 
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I have done hour long presentations on more than one occasion on torch starting technology.....with many interested participants. Next Wednesday I will be doing an hour long webinar in regards to consumable life....primarily aimed at industrial plasma systems....but virtually all of the technology applies to air plasma systems as well. You can sign up for the webinar at Hypertherm | Plasma Cutters | Plasma Cutting Equipment | Metal Cutting Equipment | CAM Software | Fiber Laser Cutting Equipment , click on the training and education tab, then click on webinars.

While there....check around at the non commercial educational (free) offerings in regards to plasma cutting technology. Great place to learn more about the process...and the technology that makes it work with high precision and low operating cost.


Jim Colt



In addition to our video, the model shown is a High Voltage design. We also have some blow back models as well for those who require frequency free arc starting.

The blow back mechanism are preferred for CNC tables as most tables out there do not like High Frequency or High Voltage starting.

I wish we could put all that in a video, but who wants to see a man talking about plasma cutters starting arc for more than 5 minutes?
 

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