Compressor Oil

[Bigfoot62]

Kohler Engine Company makes & bottles their own oil. . .

Really. You've been to the Kohler refinery? Watched this process happen? (not trying to pick a fight, but I find it hard to believe)

To the original poster, and his original question, I suggest you talk to you local fuel/oil supplier. I bought a 5 gallon pail of Mobil Rarus 427 compressor oil from the local Exxon/Mobil jobber. Think I paid about $45-50 for what will likely be a lifetime supply. The same oil was $7 per quart at a local hardware store.

 

[dconine]

Really. You've been to the Kohler refinery? Watched this process happen? (not trying to pick a fight, but I find it hard to believe)

To the original poster, and his original question, I suggest you talk to you local fuel/oil supplier. I bought a 5 gallon pail of Mobil Rarus 427 compressor oil from the local Exxon/Mobil jobber. Think I paid about $45-50 for what will likely be a lifetime supply. The same oil was $7 per quart at a local hardware store.

No I have never been to their actual refinery, but we happen to be a Kohler Expert Dealer in the small engine repair business & have had actual Kohler Reps from the factory visit our dealership & explain how it all works. We have sold their oil for 15+ years. That's what when you look at MSDS sheets you don't see other big name oil companies on there. It's been debated for years but it's true, they do have their own formula & quite an extensive oil analysis test lab. It's an excellent oil.

 

[Soundguy]

Single stage or 2 stage?

a couple are single stage. smaller units.. 4g and 30g. my 60g upright i dunno.. have to check. it makes air fast.. might be 2 stage.

 

[Soundguy]

That's surprisng, to say the least. I would never have expected that.

that's way surprising !

 

[Soundguy]

No I have never been to their actual refinery, but we happen to be a Kohler Expert Dealer in the small engine repair business & have had actual Kohler Reps from the factory visit our dealership & explain how it all works. We have sold their oil for 15+ years. That's what when you look at MSDS sheets you don't see other big name oil companies on there. It's been debated for years but it's true, they do have their own formula & quite an extensive oil analysis test lab. It's an excellent oil.

but do they actually have their own refinery? there aren't all that many here.

what's their msds say address wise. you see many bottlers.. and FEW refineries. many store brands all point to one of 2-3 addresses...

 

[SPYDERLK]

a couple are single stage. smaller units.. 4g and 30g. my 60g upright i dunno.. have to check. it makes air fast.. might be 2 stage.

In a two stage the second stage is always highly supercharged by the 1st stage. The continuous positive pressure of 60PSI min keeps the rings and cyl walls pretty dry of oil. On my Kellogg American, compressor oil is a must.
larry

 

[Soundguy]

In a two stage the second stage is always highly supercharged by the 1st stage. The continuous positive pressure of 60PSI min keeps the rings and cyl walls pretty dry of oil. On my Kellogg American, compressor oil is a must.
larry

i have syn compressor oil in my upright.

 

[sw03]

wow...you used syn oil....LOL...I still use cheap HD/chinafreight and all is fine (no UOA though)...Started at -15F last year too (a little slow)...My compessor is 20+ years old. If it dies, who cares...

 

[Soundguy]

my compressors actually get a lil abuse. I rune em a whiel when i get home with whatever lard china packed them with then ai drain and flush the sump.. that gets rid of alot of casting flashing and some wear in metal.. then I put in Ch oil for the smaller units.. but the big one has had syn oil in it. many times i'm getting continous run if painting or sand blasting or running an air tool. for that kind of high duty cycle abuse.. on that setup.. the syn can't hurt.. might help.. and cost for a quart is negligible looking at 5.80 vs 2.80 no biggie.... if it had a 15qt sump.. it might be different..

besides I know this argument you are trying to have with me is a carry-over from another post. I see thru that..

 

[9973720wb19]

Tractor Supply Store will have the oil...while you're there, check out the new ones! :laughing:

 

[Bird]

Kohler Engine Company makes & bottles their own oil. At this time, they do not have a synthetic oil but are currently working on some different weights & a synthetic line-up to put out on the market as well. The Kohler command engines have hydraulic valve lifters & the Kohler oil has additives to make those lifters run quieter. We notice there is certain brands of oil that our customers run & you can hear more of "lifter ticking". It really is a great oil & is even diesel rated as well!

Well, these discussions about who makes the Kohler motor oil made me curious, especially since I can't imagine Kohler having their own refinery. The Kohler website and PDF download on the oil has an 800 phone number, so I decided to try it. The second person I talked to didn't hesitate at all before telling me the Kohler oil is made for Kohler by Quaker State. He said Kohler gives them the formula they want and Quaker State makes and bottles it for them. I asked him if he was sure and he said that the last thing he heard.:laughing:

Now that's certainly not definitive proof of who actually makes and bottles it, but I do think if a product is made to your specifications, you can say you made it. And in this case, I do think it's a good oil and at $4.95 a quart for no more than 2 quarts a year, I'll keep using it.:laughing:

 

[Soundguy]

actually.. it sound slike it's specifically mad BY quakerstate.. and bottled by them.

anyone can send a spec sheet and get a custom blend from a packaging refinery. the 'maker' is just that. who made it. lable on the bottl emenas nothing.

I don't 'make' any oil.. but if I called QS and had them bottle me 1millin bottles of oil.. it'd still be 1 million bottles of QS, custom bottled for me..

just the way I see it anyway...

 

[cqaigy2]

Well, these discussions about who makes the Kohler motor oil made me curious, especially since I can't imagine Kohler having their own refinery. The Kohler website and PDF download on the oil has an 800 phone number, so I decided to try it. The second person I talked to didn't hesitate at all before telling me the Kohler oil is made for Kohler by Quaker State. He said Kohler gives them the formula they want and Quaker State makes and bottles it for them. I asked him if he was sure and he said that the last thing he heard.:laughing:

Now that's certainly not definitive proof of who actually makes and bottles it, but I do think if a product is made to your specifications, you can say you made it. And in this case, I do think it's a good oil and at $4.95 a quart for no more than 2 quarts a year, I'll keep using it.:laughing:

Seems pretty simplistic to use the argument about whether someone has a refinery or not. Almost as bad as saying it's made from a specific well. It can't be to hard to imagine that the oil is only a portion of what goes into what you use, possibly the additives may have some value as well.

 

[Bird]

actually.. it sound slike it's specifically mad BY quakerstate.. and bottled by them.

anyone can send a spec sheet and get a custom blend from a packaging refinery. the 'maker' is just that. who made it. lable on the bottl emenas nothing.

I don't 'make' any oil.. but if I called QS and had them bottle me 1millin bottles of oil.. it'd still be 1 million bottles of QS, custom bottled for me..

just the way I see it anyway...

But would you just ask them to bottle a million bottles for you, or would you specify the formula you wanted them to mix before bottling. So yes, you can say they "made" it, but to your specifications, which might be different from their normal run.

You know in 1980-81, the manual with Mercedes diesel cars listed oils by name that were acceptable, including Quaker State. Our Isuzu sedan manual didn't list brand name, but specified CC, CD, etc. Quaker State was an oil that carried that rating, so I used it in both gasoline and diesel engines until 1995, when I bought the Kubota and noticed that the Quaker State bottles no longer had the diesel rating. I called Quaker State's tech department and the guy said it no longer had the diesel rating, but would be OK in diesels, except that you should change it more often. Needless to say, that's when I quit using Quaker State. But now the Kohler oil does have the diesel rating so it would be my guess that it's not the same as the oils with the Quaker State label, even if they are the ones who "make" it.

 

[Soundguy]

who made it is just a statment of origin. how it was made is irrelevant to the issue.. IE.. just looking for origin, it's clear. quaker state.

 

[Bird]

just looking for origin, it's clear. quaker state.

OK, but of course that's just what a guy who seemed to know what he was talking about told me. I cannot vouch for the authenticity of his information.:laughing:

 

[Soundguy]

well, that's true. if anyone has the spec sheet and msds.. we can look up the bottler usually from that.