considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or...

   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or... #21  
dragoneggs,

we communicated a bit ~a month ago, and am well aware of the many successful things you have done with the tractor :)
I am building a place in gig harbor. The size of the property is at the end of my original post (4 Acres - 2 acres flat, 1 acre slope, 1 acre very steep)

I know you have the spacers on your tractor and the tooth bar among other things.

One option I have been thinking about it just buying an independently powered chipper. Something like this:
Rapid-Feed Wood Chipper: Pro 16.5 HP Briggs (Self Feeding) | DR Power Equipment

With the money I save by going with the BX25D, I could purchase the chipper :)

Still thinking.. have another 1-2 months to decide

Regards
Russell
Ah yes, sorry Russell. I have had my eye on the Wallenstein BX32 shredder. Wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on that if I didn't have too many other higher priority things to do with the disposable money I have. Too many unfinished home improvement jobs that my better half keeps reminding me of... :eek:
 
   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or... #22  
I can't speak to any bx except mine, but mine comes to a very quick halt when I let off the pedal. Fully loaded or not. In low, it is like slamming on the brakes

Now that's what I'm talking about!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup: That's what it is supposed to do, not so abrupt or should be able to be feathered with the foot to not abrupt but stop when the pedal is released and NOT keep on coasting for any amount.
The Kubota RTVs stop abrupt with immediate pedal release but can be feathered to a less abrupt stop.
I to have never used the brakes on any Kubota HST to stop it but have to on this BX25D I currently have and they moved the brake to the other side which hasn't helped me but can see where it is better on the left for people that have never owned another Kubota and gotten use to the brake being on the right side.
 
   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or... #23  
The BXxx50 series of past days had the abrupt stop in reverse and Kubota fixed it in the next BXxx60 series but dealers could never fix it. I had a 50 series and then a 60 series.
Several BX25D owners have admitted that their BX25D also doesn't stop when the pedal is released. The BX25 is a factory TLB and is designed that way to have the FEL and BH where the other tractors in the series are designed to Add the FEL and BH later (usually at the dealership). Difference in the drive train? I don't know. There apparently is a difference if your 70 series BX stops when you release the pedal because many, if not all BX25Ds don't. To me from experience, yes, mine has a problem and after a visit to the dealer and some adjustments it still does it but with slight improvement but it's still wrong again from my experience with 16 Kubota HSTs.

I recently sold my BX2660 - it did the exact same coasting. This is a real nightmare on the slopes, as some engineer thought that the brake pedal should be placed above the HST pedal, and high enough that you can't get to it quickly. I absolutely HATED this about that tractor, had it for two years, multiple shop visits, and they could not get the coast adjusted out. My new tractor has brake pedals on the left, and it does not coast.

To the OP - see if you can test this on a hill at the dealership.... you don't want this coasting issue on the slopes... it is fantastically scary near drop offs and such...
Plus on the BX2660 - which is basically a lawn mower on steroids.... at 5'11" the ROPS is to short - basically the top of my head was even with it - this thing would have done me no good at all if I had gone over.
If you got slopes - make sure the ROPS fits you.
 
   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or... #25  
Plus on the BX2660 - which is basically a lawn mower on steroids.... .

OK, you got a bad BX2660 or an incompetent dealership that couldn't fix the coast issue and yours was a machine with a problem. That was NOT a common issue with the BX2660, I had one and have heard no one else say they had this issue like many people are confessing to the issue with the BX25D which will be changed when enough customers complain to dealers as we did with the BX2350 abrupt stop in reverse. The BX25D has the brake pedal on the left, I liked it better on the right but when it was on the right I never had to use it so if having to use it I agree that it is better on the left.
Your just upset over your experience with a defective machine and incompetent dealership and it has clouded your objectivity by making the ridicules statement that the BX2660 is basically a lawn mower on steroids or your just trying to flame all BX owners on this forum. I've bought/owned 20 Kubotas and some of them have had issues like some of the 170 cars/trucks but I don't trash any of them unfairly.
Join a forum for a month and start trashing the product that the forum is dedicated to and yes your comment is trashing the Kubota BX tractor.
A specific stated issue is different than personal feeling/opinion. You had a specific issue and you stated it and very well but the derogatory remark wasn't needed or appreciated, by me. Hope your future here on the Kubota Buying/Pricing forum is better than your first month with us satisfied Kubota owners that have owned many, still own many and will own many more.:2cents:. I have no comment about your currently owned machine, I've never owned one and actually never heard of it. Hope it works well for you. See how my post was OK and I didn't have to include the last statement, it didn't really add any thing to the post.:D
 
   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or... #26  
hi All,

getting within a few months of making my tractor purchase.

I am struggling a bit with my decision and here is why:

. . . . .

Should I -
1. Just go with the BX25D and resign myself to using a smaller chipper (maybe limit it to 2" branches) or knowing the larger chipper just wont function as well with the smaller PTO horse power. I have lots and lots of trees that have been felled and lots and lots of 2-4" branches that I would ultimately like to turn into chips.
2. Go with the B2601 and resign myself to never put it on the hill. I also understand the amount of work I can do on the hilly part with the BX25D will have limitations
3. consider another tractor that has a better center of gravity? Based on all my readings on this forum it appears the math on anything bigger than a BX25D (I.E. ground clearance, tire width, wheelbase, weight) does not make any of them less tippy

In case it matters, I am dealing with 4 acres of wooded property, 2 Acres roughly flat, 1 Acre on a slop, and the last Acre very steep and only accessible by foot

Best Regards
Russell

An alternate thought is to get a BX2670-1 and an aftermarket backhoe, or a used standalone backhoe depending on how much backhoe activity you have need for.

Why do I mention this?

A. If you get a bx25d you have to add the rear 3 point hitch . . . But the bx2670-1 already has it.

B. The bx2670-1 with loaded tires and spacers gives you at least as good a low c.g. as the bx25d . . But it has more hp at pto's for your wood chipper needs.

C. The bx2670-1 would be considerably lower in price than the bx25d . . So maybe you could consider adding a grapple to work with all the brush, logs, etc..

D. Safety to me is everything. With your combination of land . . a back hoe is not going to be an "always attached" situation anyway . . so maybe an after market hoe or used stand alone hoe would be a possibility.

I'm just suggesting that a new tractor deserves to be used on as many parts of your property as is possible . . . with maximized safety an ever present benefit.
 
   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or... #27  
Very confused about bx25d-1 moving after the system is put in neutral.

If there is no flow of oil than it has to stop. As far as I know, that's how the system works. The flow of fluid is how it moves and also why you lose some power over a geared machined. In fact, though my experience is with Deere, you have to turn a release valve to move the darn thing if the engine doesn't work to roll it. Let me be clear...I had one where the engine died the stupid valve was rusted shut and I had to get my truck to drag it back...tires did not move an inch. (yeah not the smartest way but it was a not a good day anyway) Now I have had them creep before, meaning after I got off the machine (yeah I didn't set the brake) it moved a little. But that was an easy adjustment, yeah the first time it did scared me a lot. So from my experience I am confused on how an HST could operate in this 'coast mode' you are talking about. I am sure it is, I am not doubting you but I guess I need to look at the design of the system to see how this could happen. Just guessing...but may be that release valve is not closed?? or defective??? Guessing and HST must have that release valve like the Deere.
 
   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or...
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#28  
An alternate thought is to get a BX2670-1 and an aftermarket backhoe, or a used standalone backhoe depending on how much backhoe activity you have need for.

Why do I mention this?

A. If you get a bx25d you have to add the rear 3 point hitch . . . But the bx2670-1 already has it.

B. The bx2670-1 with loaded tires and spacers gives you at least as good a low c.g. as the bx25d . . But it has more hp at pto's for your wood chipper needs.

C. The bx2670-1 would be considerably lower in price than the bx25d . . So maybe you could consider adding a grapple to work with all the brush, logs, etc..

D. Safety to me is everything. With your combination of land . . a back hoe is not going to be an "always attached" situation anyway . . so maybe an after market hoe or used stand alone hoe would be a possibility.

I'm just suggesting that a new tractor deserves to be used on as many parts of your property as is possible . . . with maximized safety an ever present benefit.

Thanks. I'll need to research the possibility of adding a BH to a BX2670. I do recall it having a few extra horses at the PTO but never really understood BH options.
With what I am going to be dealing with on the land (lots and lots of cleanup of smaller trees that need to be removed), I feel pretty strongly about needing a BH for that work.
 
   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or... #29  
Thanks. I'll need to research the possibility of adding a BH to a BX2670. I do recall it having a few extra horses at the PTO but never really understood BH options.
With what I am going to be dealing with on the land (lots and lots of cleanup of smaller trees that need to be removed), I feel pretty strongly about needing a BH for that work.

Recently I had a chance to see 1st hand three grapple products that a specialty attachment maker has available for Kubota BX tractors as well as other sub compact tractors. It was quite amazing. And the products were smaller in size yet stronger than prior ones I'd seen.

You mentioned lots of small trees that need to be removed . . . well I watched as one of the grapples tore trees out of the ground with a front mounted grapple with a BX . . . less than 1 minute per tree from approach-grab-liftout of ground-move and drop-then back to the next one. Not sapplings . . these were 3 and 4 inch trees. And costs were considerably less than a backhoe . . actually three grapples of different uses . . . combined . . . were less than a backhoe.

I'm not saying you might not have many uses and needs for a backhoe . . but if you have lots of 1 to 4 inch trees to eliminate . . a BX2670 or BX2370/BX25d sizes of unit with the right size and type of grapple will tear'em out roots and all. The BX2670-1 option would be less money and have more horsepower for other purposes like the chipper.

Just a thought. We all have our own needs and desires. :)
 
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   / considering BX25D vs B2601 w/BH or...
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Recently I had a chance to see 1st hand three grapple products that a specialty attachment maker has available for Kubota BX tractors as well as other sub compact tractors. It was quite amazing. And the products were smaller in size yet stronger than prior ones I'd seen.

You mentioned lots of small trees that need to be removed . . . well I watched as one of the grapples tore trees out of the ground with a front mounted grapple with a BX . . . less than 1 minute per tree from approach-grab-liftout of ground-move and drop-then back to the next one. Not sapplings . . these were 3 and 4 inch trees. And costs were considerably less than a backhoe . . actually three grapples of different uses . . . combined . . . were less than a backhoe.

I'm not saying you might not have many uses and needs for a backhoe . . but if you have lots of 1 to 4 inch trees to eliminate . . a BX2670 or BX2370/BX25d sizes of unit with the right size and type of grapple will tear'em out roots and all. The BX2670-1 option would be less money and have more horsepower for other purposes like the chipper.

Just a thought. We all have our own needs and desires. :)

yup, something to consider and thanks for the additional details.

Here is a youtube video of a grapple being used...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnBsdYDlkw0
 

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