Excuse me, unless we're taking a sick day or the weld cart is done, done as in the the 211 miller in on the cart with the gas boootle strap down and or either bottom storage shelves and or draws are in and painted..................................Break is over, andale andale.
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Nag, nag, nag - already GOT a wife :laughing: - you're right tho, gotta get it in gear; found some ribbed black rubber for a floor pad, debating whether to use it on the ENTIRE bottom floor or just where the bottle goes. Also found some aluminum angle and stainless machine screws, gonna put that in as "kick plates" front and back, so that's what I step on when it's time to go "hand truck" -
But I veered off course a bit, necessary so I can get the little HF crane out of its box BUT MODIFIED with a heavier, longer I beam. Those last drawings are the mods to the post tops so the new I beam can be adjustable length but still solidly attached when in use.
Realized that since the new beam will NOT be welded but instead trapped in a channel, that the beam should be painted as early as possible so that when the post tops are finished, I can finally get the whole thing out of the box that's stopping "porch roof" progress by bein' smack dab in the way...
Today I put the new I beam (12'4" long, 150 lbs.) on horses out in the driveway, soaked it down with 35% Muriatic acid and let it sit for about 20 minutes then hosed it off, got rid of a lot of the mill scale so it'll clean up for painting with less elbow grease - it's now back under cover with a fan on it, manana it'll get a coarse knotted cup brush on my 9" Hitachi grinder. Once it's semi-shiny it'll get a coat of paint, but I'll probly hafta do it in sections since weather isn't gonna cooperate with warm enough temps this week - or maybe I'll rig some kind of tent over it with a couple small heaters at each end, or something to keep it above 50*...
Once that's curing out I have 4 pieces of 2" x 1/4 wall square tube still to cut and a few holes to drill, and more mill scale to knock off of the post top pieces (beam hold-downs) - a little welding here and there and they'll be ready.
Then, I can FINALLY start puttin' the HF crane together so it can straddle my ONLY work area (instead of bein' right in the middle of it) where the "porch roof" will get framed and skinned (while being clamped to my brush bucket).
Oh, and I ordered some 8" locking swivel casters to replace the weeny little 5" ones that come with this crane (should move a little easier on my (for now) gravel floor - the 5" ones that come with the crane will get used to replace the set that WAS on my old cherry picker; for some reason,those casters didn't appreciate me thinking I could use the cherry picker as a rolling pallet for 2 full units of plywood siding - dunno why a 2 ton rating doesn't mean it's OK to put 3 tons on it....
Hey, I warned everybody clear back at the beginning this wuz gonna get complicated, remember?
(I may have neglected to mention, however, that I tend to get off on "complicated" ... Steve
But I veered off course a bit, necessary so I can get the little HF crane out of its box BUT MODIFIED with a heavier, longer I beam. Those last drawings are the mods to the post tops so the new I beam can be adjustable length but still solidly attached when in use.
Realized that since the new beam will NOT be welded but instead trapped in a channel, that the beam should be painted as early as possible so that when the post tops are finished, I can finally get the whole thing out of the box that's stopping "porch roof" progress by bein' smack dab in the way...
Today I put the new I beam (12'4" long, 150 lbs.) on horses out in the driveway, soaked it down with 35% Muriatic acid and let it sit for about 20 minutes then hosed it off, got rid of a lot of the mill scale so it'll clean up for painting with less elbow grease - it's now back under cover with a fan on it, manana it'll get a coarse knotted cup brush on my 9" Hitachi grinder. Once it's semi-shiny it'll get a coat of paint, but I'll probly hafta do it in sections since weather isn't gonna cooperate with warm enough temps this week - or maybe I'll rig some kind of tent over it with a couple small heaters at each end, or something to keep it above 50*...
Once that's curing out I have 4 pieces of 2" x 1/4 wall square tube still to cut and a few holes to drill, and more mill scale to knock off of the post top pieces (beam hold-downs) - a little welding here and there and they'll be ready.
Then, I can FINALLY start puttin' the HF crane together so it can straddle my ONLY work area (instead of bein' right in the middle of it) where the "porch roof" will get framed and skinned (while being clamped to my brush bucket).
Oh, and I ordered some 8" locking swivel casters to replace the weeny little 5" ones that come with this crane (should move a little easier on my (for now) gravel floor - the 5" ones that come with the crane will get used to replace the set that WAS on my old cherry picker; for some reason,those casters didn't appreciate me thinking I could use the cherry picker as a rolling pallet for 2 full units of plywood siding - dunno why a 2 ton rating doesn't mean it's OK to put 3 tons on it....
Hey, I warned everybody clear back at the beginning this wuz gonna get complicated, remember?
(I may have neglected to mention, however, that I tend to get off on "complicated"
... Steve("found some ribbed black rubber for a floor pad, debating whether to use it on the ENTIRE bottom floor or just where the bottle goes.")<<<<I'd go with just where the bottle goes, so you can cut a hot piece of steel and lay whats left on under the weld cart.
("But I veered off course a bit, necessary so I can get the little HF crane out of its box BUT MODIFIED with a heavier, longer I beam. ")<<<<I see whats going on here, doing a little multitasking, the weld cart hasn't been signed off yet.
("Today I put the new I beam (12'4" long, 150 lbs.) on horses out in the driveway, soaked it down with 35% Muriatic acid and let it sit for about 20 minutes then hosed it off, got rid of a lot of the mill scale so it'll clean up for painting with less elbow grease")<<<<Now whats this all about, why wasn't the sand blaster being used? The word acid scares me, is this the stuff that causes some older people to go bald, where's the the before and after picture? Some say that using elbow grease is good exercise and it's free, that way you wouldn't have to keep going to the gym every week.
("I love it when people Nag, nag, nag, my wife doesn't do it enough") <<<<<Your welcome and make sure you get some pictures of something this week or I'll start having picture withdrawals.
("But I veered off course a bit, necessary so I can get the little HF crane out of its box BUT MODIFIED with a heavier, longer I beam. ")<<<<I see whats going on here, doing a little multitasking, the weld cart hasn't been signed off yet.
("Today I put the new I beam (12'4" long, 150 lbs.) on horses out in the driveway, soaked it down with 35% Muriatic acid and let it sit for about 20 minutes then hosed it off, got rid of a lot of the mill scale so it'll clean up for painting with less elbow grease")<<<<Now whats this all about, why wasn't the sand blaster being used? The word acid scares me, is this the stuff that causes some older people to go bald, where's the the before and after picture? Some say that using elbow grease is good exercise and it's free, that way you wouldn't have to keep going to the gym every week.
("I love it when people Nag, nag, nag, my wife doesn't do it enough") <<<<<Your welcome and make sure you get some pictures of something this week or I'll start having picture withdrawals.
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Rubber - just under the bottle (and behind it, scuff shield) was my first thought, now it's also my LAST )
Multi-tasking - probly more like multi-OBSESSING, but yeah
Sand - nobody in this jerk-wad town carries silica sand and I haven't had any for maybe 20 years, that's gonna change - one of the REAL building supply places carries it in one of their stores on the other side of the mountains ('bout 120 miles or so) - they do have trucks making the rounds between stores every couple days, I should get 100 lbs of #30 mesh Thur. or Fri- so part of my circle driveway will look a little smoother than the rest of the gravel (I don't have a 13' long blast cabinet, and even if I did there's noplace to put it) :thumbdown:
Meantime, I can get the last 4 pieces cut for the post top clamps and probly finish those up til the sand gets here...
Elbow grease - 4 hours with a 16 pound 1-1/2 horse grinder is greasy enough for a while, thanks :thumbdown:
Acid - last 25 years before pullin' the plug I got to know quite a few kinds of acid; only one that REALLY scares me is HydroFlouric. A hand print sized exposure to that on your chest, and you're DEAD within maybe a half hour; they showed us pics of a millwright's finger after he got maybe a DROP under a fingernail and went home - what was left of the finger (not much) looked like he'd drilled a 1/4 inch hole in the end, stuck a firecracker in and LIT it
The muriatic I used is just a stronger version of the "pool pH adjuster" Lowes sells - you don't wanna breathe it, but rubber gloves and a respirator (and knowing what its properties are) and it's OK - I use it over an area of the driveway I NEVER want anything growing anyway, then water it in heavy after.
Bald - must not be a prob, still got too much hair; just mostly gray now instead of black (thanks, Grampa on Mom's side :=)
Gym - that's another word for "shop", right??!? Must be workin', still 6' tall and still 180, still can pick up a 250# I-beam (long as I don't walk too far)
Pics - In the next day or 2, go back and look at the old ones if you feel withdrawal comin' on
Got a little more time til supper, better go mutilate sumthin' ... Steve
)Multi-tasking - probly more like multi-OBSESSING, but yeah
Sand - nobody in this jerk-wad town carries silica sand and I haven't had any for maybe 20 years, that's gonna change - one of the REAL building supply places carries it in one of their stores on the other side of the mountains ('bout 120 miles or so) - they do have trucks making the rounds between stores every couple days, I should get 100 lbs of #30 mesh Thur. or Fri- so part of my circle driveway will look a little smoother than the rest of the gravel (I don't have a 13' long blast cabinet, and even if I did there's noplace to put it) :thumbdown:
Meantime, I can get the last 4 pieces cut for the post top clamps and probly finish those up til the sand gets here...
Elbow grease - 4 hours with a 16 pound 1-1/2 horse grinder is greasy enough for a while, thanks :thumbdown:
Acid - last 25 years before pullin' the plug I got to know quite a few kinds of acid; only one that REALLY scares me is HydroFlouric. A hand print sized exposure to that on your chest, and you're DEAD within maybe a half hour; they showed us pics of a millwright's finger after he got maybe a DROP under a fingernail and went home - what was left of the finger (not much) looked like he'd drilled a 1/4 inch hole in the end, stuck a firecracker in and LIT it
The muriatic I used is just a stronger version of the "pool pH adjuster" Lowes sells - you don't wanna breathe it, but rubber gloves and a respirator (and knowing what its properties are) and it's OK - I use it over an area of the driveway I NEVER want anything growing anyway, then water it in heavy after.
Bald - must not be a prob, still got too much hair; just mostly gray now instead of black (thanks, Grampa on Mom's side :=)
Gym - that's another word for "shop", right??!? Must be workin', still 6' tall and still 180, still can pick up a 250# I-beam (long as I don't walk too far
)Pics - In the next day or 2, go back and look at the old ones if you feel withdrawal comin' on
Got a little more time til supper, better go mutilate sumthin' ... Steve
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Okay, Steve. I want to see a pic of you holding a 250lb beam... needs to be in color too. I know what color I would be. You will go on my idol wall. Not many there. Bruce Lee, Clint Eastwood, my dad. You would be in good company!
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Mark, I can "HOLD" one for a LONG time, unless I try to LIFT it :laughing: - in this case, that's the weight the 20' beams are for the bridge crane - (6" x 12.5# per foot) - in order to cut one into 92" and 148" pieces (short piece is bridge beam for the container crane, long one is to make the HF "gantry" crane usable for ME) I used 3 jack stands - 2 are modified with "mini-log-bunks" so things won't slide off the tops -
Sequence of events: I have 2 pairs of these
Vehicle Dollies - 2 Piece, 15 Lb. Capacity
I use 'em anywhere I need to move things I can pick up but shouldn't actually CARRY around, they come in handy for different things...
Pick up ONE END of that 250# beam, kick a dolly under it, set it down
Repeat for other end
Roll it over near the saw
Place jack stands, 2 on outfeed, one on infeed, in line with fixed vise jaw
Roll beam lengthwise til the CUT mark is CLOSE to same plane as saw blade
Lift end of beam that's FURTHEST away from saw and place it on a jack stand (other end rolls AWAY from saw temporarily)
Repeat on OTHER end, need to lift higher to clear "log bunks" and saw vice
Lower saw close enough to see where to move beam cut mark to blade -
Lift ENTIRE BEAM enough to clear (non-roller) jack stands and saw bed about an inch, and line up cut
(Beam STILL weighs 250#, whether you lift it an inch or a foot) Notice I did NOT say I bench pressed said beam
Tighten vise, flip switch, make the cut
If it makes ya feel more manly, even the 12' (150 lbs) piece got a bit chunky by the time I (actually DID) carry it about 20 feet to set it on the little 5x8 trailer so I could take it up to the house area
Sorry, no "action" pics, wife isn't much of a photog plus she gets nervous around me when I'm doin' stuff... Steve
Sequence of events: I have 2 pairs of these
Vehicle Dollies - 2 Piece, 15 Lb. Capacity
I use 'em anywhere I need to move things I can pick up but shouldn't actually CARRY around, they come in handy for different things...
Pick up ONE END of that 250# beam, kick a dolly under it, set it down
Repeat for other end
Roll it over near the saw
Place jack stands, 2 on outfeed, one on infeed, in line with fixed vise jaw
Roll beam lengthwise til the CUT mark is CLOSE to same plane as saw blade
Lift end of beam that's FURTHEST away from saw and place it on a jack stand (other end rolls AWAY from saw temporarily)
Repeat on OTHER end, need to lift higher to clear "log bunks" and saw vice
Lower saw close enough to see where to move beam cut mark to blade -
Lift ENTIRE BEAM enough to clear (non-roller) jack stands and saw bed about an inch, and line up cut
(Beam STILL weighs 250#, whether you lift it an inch or a foot
) Notice I did NOT say I bench pressed said beamTighten vise, flip switch, make the cut
If it makes ya feel more manly, even the 12' (150 lbs) piece got a bit chunky by the time I (actually DID) carry it about 20 feet to set it on the little 5x8 trailer so I could take it up to the house area
Sorry, no "action" pics, wife isn't much of a photog plus she gets nervous around me when I'm doin' stuff... Steve
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Hey Mark - speaking of saws, didn't you get one of these
5" x 6" Metal-Cutting Bandsaw w/ Swivel Head | Grizzly Industrial
a while back?
Seems like you liked it, but I'd like to know more - considering ditching ONE of the 2 HF 4x6's, keeping the "offroad" version and the Jet saw but thinking the swivel would make some of the stuff I do easier (as in, POSSIBLE :laughing
Sooo, any new insights or is life still gettin' in the way of shop time?... Steve
5" x 6" Metal-Cutting Bandsaw w/ Swivel Head | Grizzly Industrial
a while back?
Seems like you liked it, but I'd like to know more - considering ditching ONE of the 2 HF 4x6's, keeping the "offroad" version and the Jet saw but thinking the swivel would make some of the stuff I do easier (as in, POSSIBLE :laughing
Sooo, any new insights or is life still gettin' in the way of shop time?... Steve
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No, I actually had my eyes on one but my shop is full. I need to expand the shop before any more floor tools. :smiley_aafz: I'm surviving with my Milwaukee port-a-band normally mounted in a SwagOffRoad stand for vertical fixed. Not enough throat. Yeah life is getting in the way.Hey Mark - speaking of saws, didn't you get one of these
5" x 6" Metal-Cutting Bandsaw w/ Swivel Head | Grizzly Industrial
a while back?
Seems like you liked it, but I'd like to know more - considering ditching ONE of the 2 HF 4x6's, keeping the "offroad" version and the Jet saw but thinking the swivel would make some of the stuff I do easier (as in, POSSIBLE :laughing
Sooo, any new insights or is life still gettin' in the way of shop time?... Steve
That acid story gave me the willies. Lifting 250lb, no wonder your back hurts, them 200lb days are long gone for me, I'm now in the 75lb category. Nice band saw picture, about how long does it take to cut a piece like that? I guess 10 min.
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Acid - mucho willies for me too - the more I learned about HydroFlouric the further I wanted to be FROM it - you can put a slab of Zirconium metal under a pier in salt water for 20 years, scrape off the barnacles and it'll still look new (and the same size) - put it in a pickling tank (think "lap pool you wouldn't wanna swim in ) with 50% Nitric, 25% HydroFlouric and 25% water - leave it for 30 MINUTES and that solution will etch off about 30 thousands of an inch.
To put that in perspective, a 4 INCH thick slab would be GONE in about 65-70 HOURS in that tank, completely dissolved - but would live probably longer than this country has existed in a salt water environment...
Back - on the rare occasions I even TRY to lift that much I'm REALLY careful to do it gradual with everything "pre-tensioned" including me - that way I can usually tell if it ain't gonna work out OK - I'm sure MOST of the "dang, shouldn't-a done that" is from those hours bent over the big grinder tryin' to get mill scale off - got a couple more things I wanna try on THAT front -
After supper I'll probably see if I can find the sand blast pot, there's 100# of 30 mesh silica in the back of my Outback...
Band saw - I'd say more around 5 minutes, I usually keep a 6-10 tooth variable pitch bi-metal on it and cut thinner stuff with one of the little HF saws - I really like that Jet saw, it's another of the "perks" of that last couple years of MANDATORY overtime -
You'll notice I did one of my "off-road" mods to the Jet too - flat-free rears and 5" urethane SWIVEL/LOCK casters in front, angle frame - the holes for the original, NON-steering wheel axles are now used to lock the saw frame into the caster frame. MUCH better - (got tired of picking up one end and changing direction instead of just steering it) the mod also raised the saw about 4-1/2", good for us 6' cranky ol' farts -
Original -
The pieces -
Welding up -
Casters and lock-downs -
Rear wheels and lock-downs - the extra washers were necessary to keep the wheels from rubbing on those frame lockdown bolts; the extra track width doesn't hurt stability either -
With the 45* adapter -
(Notice the sneaky way I tossed in some OLD pics just to keep ya happy til I get off my tush and actually PRODUCE sumthin' ??!?) ...Steve
) with 50% Nitric, 25% HydroFlouric and 25% water - leave it for 30 MINUTES and that solution will etch off about 30 thousands of an inch. To put that in perspective, a 4 INCH thick slab would be GONE in about 65-70 HOURS in that tank, completely dissolved - but would live probably longer than this country has existed in a salt water environment...
Back - on the rare occasions I even TRY to lift that much I'm REALLY careful to do it gradual with everything "pre-tensioned" including me - that way I can usually tell if it ain't gonna work out OK
- I'm sure MOST of the "dang, shouldn't-a done that" is from those hours bent over the big grinder tryin' to get mill scale off - got a couple more things I wanna try on THAT front - After supper I'll probably see if I can find the sand blast pot, there's 100# of 30 mesh silica in the back of my Outback...
Band saw - I'd say more around 5 minutes, I usually keep a 6-10 tooth variable pitch bi-metal on it and cut thinner stuff with one of the little HF saws - I really like that Jet saw, it's another of the "perks" of that last couple years of MANDATORY overtime
- You'll notice I did one of my "off-road" mods to the Jet too - flat-free rears and 5" urethane SWIVEL/LOCK casters in front, angle frame - the holes for the original, NON-steering wheel axles are now used to lock the saw frame into the caster frame. MUCH better - (got tired of picking up one end and changing direction instead of just steering it) the mod also raised the saw about 4-1/2", good for us 6' cranky ol' farts -
Original -
The pieces -
Welding up -
Casters and lock-downs -
Rear wheels and lock-downs - the extra washers were necessary to keep the wheels from rubbing on those frame lockdown bolts; the extra track width doesn't hurt stability either -
With the 45* adapter -
(Notice the sneaky way I tossed in some OLD pics just to keep ya happy til I get off my tush and actually PRODUCE sumthin' ??!?)
...Steve