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Steve, I think the hot weather is getting to you. 
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Nah, I'm ALWAYS this way; I just don't always "over-share" :laughing:
In fact, now that I finally quit stalling and actually USED the "little green machine", I found ANOTHER way to help "beat the heat" - I used a couple of those swivel pad vise grips and hung one of the 20" floor fans upside down from my "mini-jib" (pics later) - with that aimed down at my head, I (1) stay cooler, (2) 99% of grinding sparks/dust go "somewhere ELSE", later to be swept up with the magnetic "broom", and (3) I don't hafta turn the fan OFF to weld...
I probably have at least 15# of that old 7014, so I can set up both the MM252 and the iTig (for stick), then do the tacks with wire and weld out with stick. To quote an old Hawaiian saying (lived there for a couple years), "cool head main ting, brah" :thumbsup::thumbsup:
The ventilation thang - cheapest way I know to get the containers survivable til "mo money" happens - once I have full roofs over all 4 (2 different locations) the heat'll be a non-issue - the 20' container has full shade all day, and it's the same temp INSIDE as OUT, within a degree or two, ALWAYS...
Breakfast's here, and (Beatles quote) "Here comes the sun" - Later... Steve
In fact, now that I finally quit stalling and actually USED the "little green machine", I found ANOTHER way to help "beat the heat" - I used a couple of those swivel pad vise grips and hung one of the 20" floor fans upside down from my "mini-jib" (pics later) - with that aimed down at my head, I (1) stay cooler, (2) 99% of grinding sparks/dust go "somewhere ELSE", later to be swept up with the magnetic "broom", and (3) I don't hafta turn the fan OFF to weld...
I probably have at least 15# of that old 7014, so I can set up both the MM252 and the iTig (for stick), then do the tacks with wire and weld out with stick. To quote an old Hawaiian saying (lived there for a couple years), "cool head main ting, brah" :thumbsup::thumbsup:
The ventilation thang - cheapest way I know to get the containers survivable til "mo money" happens - once I have full roofs over all 4 (2 different locations) the heat'll be a non-issue - the 20' container has full shade all day, and it's the same temp INSIDE as OUT, within a degree or two, ALWAYS...
Breakfast's here, and (Beatles quote) "Here comes the sun" - Later... Steve
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OK, as promised - my "cool head" solution;
16 down -
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And yeah, there WAS a plan (sorta) -
If it doesn't get much warmer out I might get the last 4 covers ready to weld this afternoon, that fan makes a SERIOUS difference... Steve
16 down -
- And 4 more to go - And yeah, there WAS a plan (sorta) -
If it doesn't get much warmer out I might get the last 4 covers ready to weld this afternoon, that fan makes a SERIOUS difference... Steve
With 5/32-7014 you must have that little green mean machine nearly maxed out, although I guess if you want to weld razor blades with it there's plenty of heat for that.
The trouble with todays inverter welding machines is there's to much clicking, push this arrow for this push the arrow for that, arc force, set that, push the arrow again for hot start and set that, push the arrow push the arrow.............click click click.....why dont they just put a knob on there for all these clickings and turn the knob, done.
What I do like is when setting the amperage's on these new inverters say at 120, the the screen reads 120 as opposed to my 40 year old Miller Dialarc that I bought off someone last year. A person almost needs to be a mathematician to set the amperage on it, I never seen anything so complicated. I like the levers and amperage knob but but dont like having to figure out the six different amperage percentages, I had to ask a guy at work today, again how to figure out the amp settings, showed him these pictures.
I was welding with 3/16, 6011 this past weekend, the first lever is set on DC-r, Sec lever set all up at 125-310, the dial is at 60 and this is where it gets complexi, he said to figure the amps take 310 subtract 125=185, devide 185 by 10= 18.5% so to add up the heat on the dial each number is 18.5 amps so it's 18.5 x 6= 111<<< add that to>>>125, Soooooo>>>125+111=236 AMPS,,,WOW are kidding me........And there's 5 more amp settings to figure out...............The good part is DC sure was easier to weld with, easier stop and starts, smoother arc.
The trouble with todays inverter welding machines is there's to much clicking, push this arrow for this push the arrow for that, arc force, set that, push the arrow again for hot start and set that, push the arrow push the arrow.............click click click.....why dont they just put a knob on there for all these clickings and turn the knob, done.
What I do like is when setting the amperage's on these new inverters say at 120, the the screen reads 120 as opposed to my 40 year old Miller Dialarc that I bought off someone last year. A person almost needs to be a mathematician to set the amperage on it, I never seen anything so complicated. I like the levers and amperage knob but but dont like having to figure out the six different amperage percentages, I had to ask a guy at work today, again how to figure out the amp settings, showed him these pictures.
I was welding with 3/16, 6011 this past weekend, the first lever is set on DC-r, Sec lever set all up at 125-310, the dial is at 60 and this is where it gets complexi, he said to figure the amps take 310 subtract 125=185, devide 185 by 10= 18.5% so to add up the heat on the dial each number is 18.5 amps so it's 18.5 x 6= 111<<< add that to>>>125, Soooooo>>>125+111=236 AMPS,,,WOW are kidding me........And there's 5 more amp settings to figure out...............The good part is DC sure was easier to weld with, easier stop and starts, smoother arc.
I got all 20 of the 1/4" cap pieces cut today, and 8 of 'em de-glazed, beveled and ready to weld on - my plasma View attachment 563712 cuts 1/4" steel at 60 IPM, which makes it real handy to just lay a ruler along the back edge of the 1" angle I use for a guide - View attachment 563713 ever since my military time I can count seconds accurate within about 1 second per minute, so I just hold the torch against the guide and move it past the inch marks at one per second - works pretty good - View attachment 563714 View attachment 563715 - The ones standing up against the pyramids are the finished ones...
We had a couple cooler days (low 80's) which was nice; but the next week (starting tomorrow) is supposed to be mid to upper 90's - it'll get too warm for playin' with HOT things by around 11am, so I'll probably start fabbing 2 templates for cutting 16-1/2" square and 24-1/2" square holes in container walls - the first of 4 of these
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will be here Monday (I'm getting the 1620 packages; they'll exchange the air in a 40' container once every two minutes) - I'm gettin' tired of making rounds morning (open containers, turn on fans) and nite (turn OFF fans, close containers) - some of the things stored in 'em do NOT like 130-140 degree temps, so the 16" exhaust fan will go on the leeward side opposite the door ends, and the 24" motorized louvers will go on the leeward side just inside the doors. The included controller can then get set to maybe 90 degrees, so I can goof off another hour before I gotta pretend I'm doin' sumthin USEFUL
The templates (which I can make in the wood shop (already HAS a 24" gable exhaust fan and 2 other fans, yay) will let me cut the holes with the plasma from INSIDE, MUCH less of a PITA than tryin' to do it with a zip disk :thumbsup: - I checked and all 4 containers have exactly the same corrugation spacing (even tho they're two different manufacturers), so I'll only need to make one of each size template (yay) to do all 4 containers -
Time to hang it up for the night, need to get going fairly early to beat the heat... Steve
Man you must reallyyyyy be tied of turning on off fans, getting 4 of those fans are is not cheap, the price I saw was almost $400.00 ea. I had a 12" one in my old shop, got a good buy off someone for around $100.00, that fan would clear out the smokest smoke in ten minutes, sure was nice when doing carbon arc gouging in the winter time.
This square tube into square tube is more like a square tube into a rectangle tube as in POST 410> 4th picture? yup should've had that picture of that dramatic episode, what was you thinking, now dont blame it on the heat............
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I'll try to cover these somewhat in order, maybe you should check in more than once a week
"With 5/32-7014 you must have that little green mean machine nearly maxed out"
Nope, my leftover 7014 ise 3/32 and 1/8, I was running the 1/8 at 125-130 amps, with a little hot start (doesn't stick as much on starts) and some "arc force" - pretty sure that just adds some inductance, seems to run a little smoother...
"The trouble with todays inverter welding machines is there's to much clicking, push this arrow for this push the arrow for that, arc force, set that, push the arrow again for hot start and set that, push the arrow push the arrow.............click click click"
Maybe so, but your 40 yr old Dialarc confuses me more - maybe it's 'cause I've been workin' with/on computers since only corporations had 'em, and hard drives were the same size as your washing machine - it's all in what you're USED TO. This little Everlast is actually very easy, especially for all the things you can customize (stick is definitely easier than the TIG, but you don't HAVE to use all the bells and whistles on that either -
"I was welding with 3/16, 6011"
OK, for THAT much rod I just drag out "big red" -
- It's 250 AC or DC, can't remember the last time I had the leads on anything but DC Reverse...
"DC sure was easier to weld with, easier stop and starts, smoother arc."
Yup, first arc I ever struck was a friend's SA200 - PURE DC generator, that's why I waited til I could find an AC/DC machine (big red) - Even on DC, mine's not as smooth as that old Lincoln, but it's 'WAY better than AC - the little inverter reminds me of that lincoln, that's ANOTHER advantage of the newer technology - VERY smooth arc for sure.
"Man you must reallyyyyy be tied of turning on off fans, getting 4 of those fans are is not cheap, the price I saw was almost $400.00 ea."
These are the only ones I've seen halfway reasonable that actually WORK -
Amazon.com: TPI 737-F-18-TE 1/8 hp Power, 115V Industrial Floor Mounting Fan: Home & Kitchen
First two I got I paid $104 each, they've gone up - third one was about $112, last one was $114, I see they've gone up another $2-3 bucks... Yer right about all the switching crap; next time I'm in HF I'm gonna grab one of these
Power Maintained Foot Switch
And just step on it when I start a MIG weld...
I have one of the "dead man" versions, I try to use that one any time I have a slicer disk on a grinder that's a SLIDE switch.
"This square tube into square tube is more like a square tube into a rectangle tube as in POST 410> 4th picture? yup should've had that picture of that dramatic episode, what was you thinking,"
Yup, that's the one - and it wasn't all that dramatic, just lined it up and pushed it in, so SUE me :laughing:
Well, today reminded me just how much I HATE chipping slag, even WITH a needle gun - stick seemed like a good idea 'cause of the fans, but I made the mistake of NOT "re-rembering" that 7014 doesn't really LIKE OOP, so all but one of the vertical ups looked like "fido wuz here" -
- Just as I did the last tack on this yesterday 
The 252 ran out of wire - by that time it was 90 in the shade, so I put things away - so everything I did today was with stick, that was a GREAT reminder why I like MIG whenever there's no WIND - Manana I'll put a new roll of L56 in the 252, then it's back to just a wire brush before/after welds.
Next 7 days are lookin' like carbon copies of today, down to 60 at nite and up to 95+ by around 2pm - hopefully I can talk "mrs. Bukit" into a run in to HF early, that'd let me weld while she grabs one of those foot switches I linked, then I'll just plug BOTH of the "Local" fans into that and stomp when I wanna weld.
The greenhouse fan kit showed up today, so if I get too tired of welding I can play with the table saw/pocket holes/jigsaw til I make a couple plasma templates for the fan and louvers - that shop's at least a couple degrees cooler with the 24" gable fan sucking "shady air" in while it's gettin' rid of the hot stuff (PLUS, I don't hafta wear leathers and a hood to play with wood) ... Steve
"With 5/32-7014 you must have that little green mean machine nearly maxed out"
Nope, my leftover 7014 ise 3/32 and 1/8, I was running the 1/8 at 125-130 amps, with a little hot start (doesn't stick as much on starts) and some "arc force" - pretty sure that just adds some inductance, seems to run a little smoother...
"The trouble with todays inverter welding machines is there's to much clicking, push this arrow for this push the arrow for that, arc force, set that, push the arrow again for hot start and set that, push the arrow push the arrow.............click click click"
Maybe so, but your 40 yr old Dialarc confuses me more - maybe it's 'cause I've been workin' with/on computers since only corporations had 'em, and hard drives were the same size as your washing machine - it's all in what you're USED TO. This little Everlast is actually very easy, especially for all the things you can customize (stick is definitely easier than the TIG, but you don't HAVE to use all the bells and whistles on that either -
"I was welding with 3/16, 6011"
OK, for THAT much rod I just drag out "big red" -
- It's 250 AC or DC, can't remember the last time I had the leads on anything but DC Reverse..."DC sure was easier to weld with, easier stop and starts, smoother arc."
Yup, first arc I ever struck was a friend's SA200 - PURE DC generator, that's why I waited til I could find an AC/DC machine (big red) - Even on DC, mine's not as smooth as that old Lincoln, but it's 'WAY better than AC - the little inverter reminds me of that lincoln, that's ANOTHER advantage of the newer technology - VERY smooth arc for sure.
"Man you must reallyyyyy be tied of turning on off fans, getting 4 of those fans are is not cheap, the price I saw was almost $400.00 ea."
These are the only ones I've seen halfway reasonable that actually WORK -
Amazon.com: TPI 737-F-18-TE 1/8 hp Power, 115V Industrial Floor Mounting Fan: Home & Kitchen
First two I got I paid $104 each, they've gone up - third one was about $112, last one was $114, I see they've gone up another $2-3 bucks... Yer right about all the switching crap; next time I'm in HF I'm gonna grab one of these
Power Maintained Foot Switch
And just step on it when I start a MIG weld...
I have one of the "dead man" versions, I try to use that one any time I have a slicer disk on a grinder that's a SLIDE switch.
"This square tube into square tube is more like a square tube into a rectangle tube as in POST 410> 4th picture? yup should've had that picture of that dramatic episode, what was you thinking,"
Yup, that's the one - and it wasn't all that dramatic, just lined it up and pushed it in, so SUE me :laughing:
Well, today reminded me just how much I HATE chipping slag, even WITH a needle gun - stick seemed like a good idea 'cause of the fans, but I made the mistake of NOT "re-rembering" that 7014 doesn't really LIKE OOP, so all but one of the vertical ups looked like "fido wuz here" -
- Just as I did the last tack on this yesterday The 252 ran out of wire - by that time it was 90 in the shade, so I put things away - so everything I did today was with stick, that was a GREAT reminder why I like MIG whenever there's no WIND - Manana I'll put a new roll of L56 in the 252, then it's back to just a wire brush before/after welds.Next 7 days are lookin' like carbon copies of today, down to 60 at nite and up to 95+ by around 2pm - hopefully I can talk "mrs. Bukit" into a run in to HF early, that'd let me weld while she grabs one of those foot switches I linked, then I'll just plug BOTH of the "Local" fans into that and stomp when I wanna weld.
The greenhouse fan kit showed up today, so if I get too tired of welding I can play with the table saw/pocket holes/jigsaw til I make a couple plasma templates for the fan and louvers - that shop's at least a couple degrees cooler with the 24" gable fan sucking "shady air" in while it's gettin' rid of the hot stuff (PLUS, I don't hafta wear leathers and a hood to play with wood
) ... Steve
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By the time I got home from HF with the foot switch, it was already too warm to interest me in puttin' on leathers, hood, gloves, etc; plus, that big green Hitachi grinder in some of the pics is a 9", weighs about 16 pounds, and my back's ALREADY decided I'm demented for usin' it for ALL the de-glaze/bevel ops on those cover plates
Sooo, time for a "NON-day", at least til evening. Then I'll most likely put a new roll of L56 wire in the MM252, and get back at it manana, EARLIER (that's my story, an' I'm stickin' TO it along with everything I TOUCH) ...Steve
Sooo, time for a "NON-day", at least til evening. Then I'll most likely put a new roll of L56 wire in the MM252, and get back at it manana, EARLIER (that's my story, an' I'm stickin' TO it along with everything I TOUCH
) ...SteveThat weld look terrible, a complete failure need and with slag intrusion beyond acceptable levels, Navy requires that you gouge it out and do it over. I think 7014 welds better on AC as it helps disperse slage better. To me DC acts as a penetrating range whereas 7014 is not a penetrating rod, it's been awhile since I used them, guess I'll have to get some 7014 rods again and retest my theory of relativity, then I';; sue ya for false dramatic tube in tube dramatisation. roposetoast:
"Next 7 days are lookin' like carbon copies of today, down to 60 at nite and up to 95+ by around 2pm"<<<The heck with the fans, get 4 of these>>
Amazon.com: DELLA 1 , BTU Window Air Conditioner Room Up to 45 Sq Feet 115V Energy Star Mini Compact w/Remote Control, White: Home & Kitchen
roposetoast: "Next 7 days are lookin' like carbon copies of today, down to 60 at nite and up to 95+ by around 2pm"<<<The heck with the fans, get 4 of these>>
Amazon.com: DELLA 1 , BTU Window Air Conditioner Room Up to 45 Sq Feet 115V Energy Star Mini Compact w/Remote Control, White: Home & Kitchen
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Yup, you're right; Navy or no navy, there's a couple welds gettin' ground out - and the 7014's gettin' BENCHED for the rest of the game, back to MIG...
Good call on the A/C's; I've got a backup for the 12k BTU one that's in our bedroom, that and a couple circulation fans keeps the whole house comfy during this kind of weather - but the backup's EXACTLY the same model as the one that's IN there, and Mrs. Bukit knows where I keep the shotgun so there's no way in **** I'd live thru grabbin' THAT one - still, maybe a DIFFERENT one, and a portable cart; hmmmm....
Good call on the A/C's; I've got a backup for the 12k BTU one that's in our bedroom, that and a couple circulation fans keeps the whole house comfy during this kind of weather - but the backup's EXACTLY the same model as the one that's IN there, and Mrs. Bukit knows where I keep the shotgun so there's no way in **** I'd live thru grabbin' THAT one - still, maybe a DIFFERENT one, and a portable cart; hmmmm....