coolant change: your frequency

   / coolant change: your frequency #21  
With some modern diesels, you may be able to get away without SCA additives. Check, and double check if your motor requires it.

I know that my older diesels require it. I brought SCA's up in this thread because often people do not know that they are required for many diesel engines.

I struggled a bit to find a good link, but this one will give you a good idea what cavitation corrosion is:

DTS Articles - Cavitation Erosion

If you read the fine print on older style anti-freeze bottles, it will often say that it is suitable for Heavy Duty diesel applications as long as you add SCA to it.

I believe there can be some negative effects to overdosing the SCA, so be sure you understand the mix ratios if you add it yourself.

Can be harder to find, but a good solution for most people is conventional diesel rated anti-freeze, that is pre-charged with SCA. Best deal I found recently was at a local Esso (Canadian Exxon) station, Mobil HD antifreeze with SCA already, for about $16 for 4 litres.

I researched the new organic antifreeze offerings about a year ago, but didn't go that route as I would have to flush a pretty large cooling system with distilled water (I have really hard well water, and never use anything but distilled water in all cooling systems). If I'm remembering right (?), these new organics (OATs ?) address the cavitation corrosion using a different approach than SCA.

Tonight, I was checking Wikipedia for a link to post here. Rather broad listing there, interesting that it indicated that modern car gasoline cooling systems started to experience cavitation corrosion when their cooling systems were downsized. Gotta read more on that later....

My first preference at this time is to use conventional diesel rated anti-freeze (ie. not the new OATs) that ships pre-charged with SCA for my tractor application.

With SCA dosed at prescribed levels, AFAIK, you can not hurt a diesel engine with SCA. Bear in mind though, I'm not a licensed diesel mechanic, so treat the preceding statement as an opinion. Any reputable engine manufacturer should clearly specify if you need SCAs in your coolant.

Bigfoot62 has raised an interesting point about electrolysis, I'm gonna have to add that to my reading list.

In summary, the way I look at the SCA/diesel issue is: There is minimal or no downside to adding SCA, and for engines that need it, you can end up replacing the block if it is neglected.

As an old Ag mechanic put it to me "Yep on tractors there are 2 things that often don't get changed - Antifreeze, and Hydraulic fluid".

Many tractors are pretty heavily designed, but they all live longer lives when the fluids get changed on schedule.

Rgds, D.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #23  
Great links Ron, thanks for posting.

Good overview, and does list use of SCAs in gas motors too - something that I was not aware of until tonight.

I bought my SCA test strips at a heavy truck garage, as they can be hard to find at the retail level.

Rgds, D.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #24  
I just changed my BX2200 coolant when a sapling pulled off my lower radiator hose. I had never changed it before, but since it all leaked out it seemed like it was time!
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #25  
Don't forget to drain the block when you change the coolant. Most people just drain the radiator.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #26  
i never knew coolant degraded actually except for just getting dirty/contaminated. so i'm one of the guys who changes coolant by necessity (on tractor and vehicles), when replacing a hose, water pump, or cleaning out the radiator. no schedule.

i plan on 300,000 miles out of my cars so i should probably look into changing it...at 200,000 on two of my fleet.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #27  
I have owned BXs and never, never worried about breaking the trans cooling fan until owners here started talking about it. Now I'm usually aware of the issue with my BX25 even though it has the factory cover guards installed.
Thanks alot!!!!!!! Now I have to be concerned about antifreeze and SCAs or to little SCA or to much SCA or no SCA and all the other problems with antifreeze in all of my vehicles and I currently own 2 cars, a truck and 5 Kubotas!!!!!!!!!! Thanks alot you -------- heads!!!!!:laughing:
I'll be hearing cavitation in my engines from now on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I'll be going to Barlows and trading all of them for new ones and just trade every 2 years and stop worrying about it. Same with my cars and truck.
Thanks alot again for giving me another thing to be concerned about!! Jesus, come soon and take me out of this land of worry and concern and proper maintenance required to make stuff last forever or until I die which may not be for another 50 years since I'm 65!!!!
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #28  
Don't forget to drain the block when you change the coolant. Most people just drain the radiator.

How do you do that? I have pulled the bottom hose off but the block is still filled.
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #29  
thanks all for your input...so...does off the shelf Prestone at walworld (green, not long life red) contain SCA? . . .
Nope, not at all. If it don't say "contains SCA" it ain't got it.

With some modern diesels, you may be able to get away without SCA additives.

In summary, the way I look at the SCA/diesel issue is: There is minimal or no downside to adding SCA, and for engines that need it, you can end up replacing the block if it is neglected.
But why would you want to chance it?

Exactly. That's why I use the FleetCharge in all of my diesels. No worry.

Thanks alot!!!!!!! Now I have to be concerned about antifreeze and SCAs or to little SCA or to much SCA or no SCA and all the other problems with antifreeze in all of my vehicles and I currently own 2 cars, a truck and 5 Kubotas!!!!!!!!!! Thanks alot you -------- heads!!!!!:laughing:
I'll be hearing cavitation in my engines from now on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John,
We are so glad to know that we have contributed to your paranoia!!!! :D Happy to be of service. :laughing:


OK, guys, I don't WORRY about it either. I just buy the FleetCharge and use it in all of the diesels. There now, taken care of.
My cousin owns a large construction business. Last count that I heard, they have more than 70 pieces of heavy equipment, plus about 20 heavy trucks, and a whole herd of pickups. They put FleetCharge coolant in all of the diesels.
Years ago, before there was such a thing as pre-charged coolant, I would just run regular green antifreeze and add SCA annually. I think I still have a SCA test kit in my tool box. It was a lot of trouble. Using Fleetcharge is easy.

BTW, you are probably not going to find FleetCharge at the local "box" store. NAPA carries it, but it's expensive. The local fuel & oil distributor sells it by the case, (6-one gallon jugs) by the drum, and by the 250 gallon tote tank.
The price is $66 per case. That's $11 per gallon, which is probably about what you're paying for the green stuff at wallyworld.

Like I've said, there's no good reason NOT to use it.

JMHO, and my opinion, plus 50 cents, might get you a half cup of coffee, in some places. ;)
 
   / coolant change: your frequency #30  
How do you do that? I have pulled the bottom hose off but the block is still filled.

There should be a drain plug in the block somewhere, most of the time in cars they have a allen or a hex head.
 

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