DC stick amperage needed for general farm repairs.

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I plan on doing basic "farm" type repairs and a little "farm" type fab work. I used to farm full time now I just play with some things here around the house and garden. I like building things for my little tractor and hope to get a bigger small tractor one day. I used to weld a lot but it was years ago and I forgot the amp setting. Looking at new DC inverter welders that you can carry around and plug in and weld. Is 160 amps enough or do I need to go to 200? I do hope to tig some damascus billets without filler rod so I won't have to grind the welds off. They will be a stack of about 1/8 or thinner steel by one inch. welded on the edge so they stay together until I can forge weld them. Ed
 
   / DC stick amperage needed for general farm repairs. #2  
For random stick/tig welding I don't see any problems with 160 amp welders.
They burn 1/8" rods very well.
 
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160 might be enough, it will be good for up to 1/4 material. I generally run stick welding from 110 to 130 amps, with 6013, 6011, or 7018 rods. Scratch start tig welding can be done on many of the newer stick welders. Most of the less expensive units won't include high frequency start, although the Everlast 160STH has it (the H is for high freq I am guessing). At $439 on Amazon, it is a bargain IMHO. But that assumes that you would do much TIG work, and therefore want the easier starting of high frequency start TIG. For about $375 you can step up to the Everlast 200 amp unit, which is scratch start TIG.

So one question is what process do you want to use, stick, tig, or mig? Stick is used on farm work many times due to the fact that you can weld semi-dirty or painted surfaces where MIG and TIG require the metal to be clean. TIG is a much more precise process, so it is commonly used where heat control is at least a moderate consideration, along with having a high quality appearance or low amount of impurities in the weld. MIG is considered by many to be the easiest process to learn, but like TIG the metal must be clean. Stick is the most tolerant of unclean metal, and the welds can be somewhat ugly and still strong.

All this is assuming that you are working with steel, not aluminum or stainless.

To answer your question about 160 versus 200, you need to think about where you want to set the limits, as it takes more amps the thicker the metal is. Also, look at the duty cycle of the welders that you are considering. A welder rated at 160 amps plugged into 220 volts is going to be at a 20 - 35% duty cycle, which means the percentage of time that you can welder per 10 minutes. If it supports TIG, it is probably a reduced rate, say 130 amps. And if you plug it into 110volts (if it supports dual voltage) it will be limited to 125 amps or less on the highest setting.

If it were me, and I had the extra bucks, I would spring for the 200 to ensure that I had the capacity for the future, but that's just me...
 
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160 might be enough, it will be good for up to 1/4 material. I generally run stick welding from 110 to 130 amps, with 6013, 6011, or 7018 rods. Scratch start tig welding can be done on many of the newer stick welders. Most of the less expensive units won't include high frequency start, although the Everlast 160STH has it (the H is for high freq I am guessing). At $439 on Amazon, it is a bargain IMHO. But that assumes that you would do much TIG work, and therefore want the easier starting of high frequency start TIG. For about $375 you can step up to the Everlast 200 amp unit, which is scratch start TIG.

So one question is what process do you want to use, stick, tig, or mig? Stick is used on farm work many times due to the fact that you can weld semi-dirty or painted surfaces where MIG and TIG require the metal to be clean. TIG is a much more precise process, so it is commonly used where heat control is at least a moderate consideration, along with having a high quality appearance or low amount of impurities in the weld. MIG is considered by many to be the easiest process to learn, but like TIG the metal must be clean. Stick is the most tolerant of unclean metal, and the welds can be somewhat ugly and still strong.

All this is assuming that you are working with steel, not aluminum or stainless.

To answer your question about 160 versus 200, you need to think about where you want to set the limits, as it takes more amps the thicker the metal is. Also, look at the duty cycle of the welders that you are considering. A welder rated at 160 amps plugged into 220 volts is going to be at a 20 - 35% duty cycle, which means the percentage of time that you can welder per 10 minutes. If it supports TIG, it is probably a reduced rate, say 130 amps. And if you plug it into 110volts (if it supports dual voltage) it will be limited to 125 amps or less on the highest setting.

If it were me, and I had the extra bucks, I would spring for the 200 to ensure that I had the capacity for the future, but that's just me...


How many times have you heard someone say " I wish I had a lot smaller welder"??
 
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I have a 160 amp mig and just want a stick with the ability to do tig in the future. Will 160 amp tig do the billets I hope to do in the future? The PA 200st is a lift arc tig and I am leaning toward that. Ed
 
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Here are some photos below of what my little 160 amp welder can do. If you wan to weld 1/8 inch material, I can't see why a 160 amp welder would not work for you. Below are stick and TIG projects done with the little PA160 Everlast
IMG_20121117_165336_859.jpgIMG_20131023_145811_920.jpgIMG_20131018_104229_173.jpgIMG_20131018_115507_563.jpgtig and ground.jpgIMG_20121117_165303_772.jpgDSCF0524.JPGDSCF0525.JPG6outside weld.jpg4outside prep.JPG5inside prep.jpgPicture 006.jpgPicture 007.jpgPicture 011.jpg
 
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I used a 230 ampAC buzz box on the farm for over 45 years. (Still have it)

Although I am now retired and have 'bigger' machines, I'm certain I could get by just fine with only my 150 amp stick/lift arc tig.

ImageUploadedByTapatalk1455495168.251903.jpg

Edit: sorry no cool project pics like James'. :)
 
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Anyone know of a cheep and good 160 or so amp stick and lift arc tig welder?
 
   / DC stick amperage needed for general farm repairs. #10  
Anyone know of a cheep and good 160 or so amp stick and lift arc tig welder?

IMHO "cheap" shouldn't be a priority....

I don't think you can go wrong talking to Mark at Everlast.

Terry
 

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