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[LD1]

In Colorado you do need a CDL for any combination over 26K EXCEPT for RV's.

Are you sure about that?

This is always where the confusion comes in....not just for us weekend warriors, but even for LEO's

Any commercial motor vehicle with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more

Taken from CDL General Information | Department of Revenue - Motor Vehicle

So are you operating COMMERCIALLY?

 

[paulfun9]

Examples of vehicles you might be able to operate with a Class C CDL (with proper endorsement) include:
•Small HAZMAT vehicles.
•Passenger vans.
•Combination vehicles not described in class A or B.•EXAMPLE: A small truck towing a trailer

 

[paulfun9]

I should have looked at the last post to make sure it took correctly. It was supposed to be a copy and paste of the back of 3 different licenses and the states breakdown but it did not take correctly.

Anyway the back of the PA license for normal everyday car drivers reads (single/combo-less than 26001) this is where they will get you no matter what you claim the wording for the "commercial License" might seem to imply. Simply stated with a regular drivers license you are not technically licensed to operate anything over 26,001 so you have to find a license to cover the weight over that. With the CDL being the only one that does even tough your not using it commercially, if you don't fit the exceptions you will be required to be licensed for over 26,001 and the only license available being a CDL means you must have one for it or simply not operate in combination at 26,001 or over.

 

[LD1]

Again, don't know In other states.....but going over 26,001......a CDL is NOT the only option .

And what you mean by "standard" license is simply a class D license. In many states, you can have a NON commercial class A license.

In Ohio...the CDL exemptions exempts personal use.

Read section 7 and 8
Lawriter - ORC -

456.3



Commercial driver's license or temporary instruction permit requirements.

 

[LD1]

Interesting read on PA......according to their DMV....driving an RV does NOT make you exempt.

You cannot operate an RV over 26k or combination over 26k on a "standard license"......that's the way I read it anyway

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[paulfun9]

I believe these to be the only exceptions in PA. I also think that there are many other states that have very similar rules.

Exemptions: You do not need a CdL to drive military equipment while in military uniform; certain fire and emergency equipment owned by a fire company; or recreational vehicles; implements of husbandry; or certain motorized construction equipment.


"And what you mean by "standard" license is simply a class D license. In many states, you can have a NON commercial class A license"

I left the classes of it out for in case an other state has them listed differently!

 

[LD1]

Im sure classes may be different in other states.

When I posted that, I though ohio had non-commercial class A-D licenses....and the standard being D. Dont know if things changed or it was just my imagination.....but cannot find anything other than Class D for ohio.

I dont have the time, nor ambition to search all 50 states DMV websites....

But all of the ones that I have ever looked at.....NO, you DO NOT need a CDL unless you are hauling COMMERCIALLY. Hence the C in CDL.

So when people always ask questions pertaining to needing a CDL and what class, and at what weights......and everyone is always quick to jump in with CDL-A if you are over 26k combo.......and that is absolutly true IF AND ONLY IF you are using it commerce/commercially.

If you are towing a backhoe/tractor/mini-ex to a jobsite to make money.....and over the weights of a standard license....YES that is commercal and you need a CDL. If you are hauling something for someone else and making money doing so, YES that is commercial.

IF you have your new 14k GVWR dually truck, and towing a 24K GN with your tractor to your hunting property to do some work for yourself....NO you DONT need CDL because its NOT COMMERCIAL. But based on the state you live in.....you may need a different class of NON-commercial license.

 

[fried1765]

Im sure classes may be different in other states.

When I posted that, I though ohio had non-commercial class A-D licenses....and the standard being D. Dont know if things changed or it was just my imagination.....but cannot find anything other than Class D for ohio.

I dont have the time, nor ambition to search all 50 states DMV websites....

But all of the ones that I have ever looked at.....NO, you DO NOT need a CDL unless you are hauling COMMERCIALLY. Hence the C in CDL.

So when people always ask questions pertaining to needing a CDL and what class, and at what weights......and everyone is always quick to jump in with CDL-A if you are over 26k combo.......and that is absolutly true IF AND ONLY IF you are using it commerce/commercially.

If you are towing a backhoe/tractor/mini-ex to a jobsite to make money.....and over the weights of a standard license....YES that is commercal and you need a CDL. If you are hauling something for someone else and making money doing so, YES that is commercial.

IF you have your new 14k GVWR dually truck, and towing a 24K GN with your tractor to your hunting property to do some work for yourself....NO you DONT need CDL because its NOT COMMERCIAL. But based on the state you live in.....you may need a different class of NON-commercial license.

Something that MIGHT come into play here......
Is YOUR word good enough, that you are not towing your equipment for commercial purposes?
I ran afoul of this when trying to board an international ferry with my Ford TLB (Canada - USA).
The ferry operator was not permitted by US customs regulations to transport commercial equipment (the ferry was PLENTY large enough -700 car capable).
I got lucky, and was able to prove my case, but it was touch and go, until final boarding time.
Will a state highway patrolman believe that you are towing for personal use purposes?

 

[some zilch]

i tow my gooseneck flatbed here in "rules-heavy and enforcement heavy" NY with a maine plate. ive never been stopped over it; and i know many other epople that do the same without issue

 

[GSVette]

Im sure classes may be different in other states.

When I posted that, I though ohio had non-commercial class A-D licenses....and the standard being D. Dont know if things changed or it was just my imagination.....but cannot find anything other than Class D for ohio.

I dont have the time, nor ambition to search all 50 states DMV websites....

But all of the ones that I have ever looked at.....NO, you DO NOT need a CDL unless you are hauling COMMERCIALLY. Hence the C in CDL.

So when people always ask questions pertaining to needing a CDL and what class, and at what weights......and everyone is always quick to jump in with CDL-A if you are over 26k combo.......and that is absolutly true IF AND ONLY IF you are using it commerce/commercially.

If you are towing a backhoe/tractor/mini-ex to a jobsite to make money.....and over the weights of a standard license....YES that is commercal and you need a CDL. If you are hauling something for someone else and making money doing so, YES that is commercial.

IF you have your new 14k GVWR dually truck, and towing a 24K GN with your tractor to your hunting property to do some work for yourself....NO you DONT need CDL because its NOT COMMERCIAL. But based on the state you live in.....you may need a different class of NON-commercial license.

Washington state is one that requires a CDL regardless of commercial/non commercial at 26k GVWR. My dump truck MFG is 28k and would require a CDL however there is an agricultural exemption in the FMCA allowing for it to be operated without a CDL for agricultural purposes only up to 150 miles from agricultural operation. Of course Wa being WA- restricts it to 25 miles!!

There are other exceptions- military operation, RVs. But in WA commercial/non commercial is not the differentiator.