Determining the exact shear bolt

   / Determining the exact shear bolt
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Grade 8 will take more load but being more brittle ...)</font>

RobS, as far as I know about this standart grade, it isn't more brittle as it's a ductile material. Brittleness is a thing, shear/tension capability is another thing. Brittle materials don't follow plastic deformation much unlike these ductile alloy steels like Grade 8.

Villengineer, the question of this thread is 2 folds;
1. What's the optimum Grade for shear bolt for a specific (unknown) attachment system (including tractor, etc etc)?
2. How to find that optimum grade bolt?

Lets start that way;
Lets name the optimal shear bolt for a specific system is GradeX. This GradeX will usually lie somewhere in between

Grade2 ......... GradeX ..............Grade8.

A farmer might have already found his/her GradeX position with some lucks and he/she is shearing the bolt rarely and without giving any damage to any component in his/her system. I see that most of farmers chose the simplest way which is to use Grade2. But they are also breaking many bolts which also costs them time that makes them angry. I also seen some farmers using Grade5 without any problem.

So, their GradeX specific to their own special systems is to be determined here and this should be done by each of farmer because each of their system is a special (with ages/component qualities/etc.) Okay, Grade2 is always solution, but this determination of GradeX too is worth to talk about, isn't it? I think everybody is agreeing with me in that. Now, the next is how to determine GradeX.

I'll rewrite that;
Grade2 ......... GradeX ..............Grade8.
(GradeX can be Grade2.5 or Grade5.7 or Grade 7.1 and so on)

Trial-error method has always a cost. Going from Grade8 to Grade2 to find GradeX is a risk and going from Grade2 to Grade8 is another risk. Which risk to be taken? Is there another method (other than trial-error) that a farmer can do? All these are to be talked about here. But before answering these, first, we need to agree about that we really have to find our own GradeX for our own attachment system? Answer to this should be fixed to this first. Those farmers who are interested in knowing their own GradeX can tell their idea/experiences.

Ps: Normde2001, I visited your web pages and really liked your art works. Congrats. We share that interest of art hobby. I have a hobby web site dedicated to weaving and wooden art. www.halikilimci.com (the Moderator can delete this link if it's not permitted.)
 
   / Determining the exact shear bolt
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#12  
a little info about deformations&fracture&brittleness;

a shear pin, when applied a force (a combined of tension+shear), follows an elastic deformation first, then after a certain limit, its deformation type becomes plastic until it fractures. Ultimate shear/tension stress is usually reached before the fracture occurs and plastic deformation continues until the fracture occurs. (Sometimes, the fracture occurs early even after a short time of elastic deformation. Such materials can be called the brittle and a good example is the glass.) This isn't a case in our Grade2 to Grade8 pins/bolts, they aren't brittle.
 
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"Ps: Normde2001, I visited your web pages and really liked your art works. Congrats."

Thanks, nomad. I like yours too, and I must say, you certainly are one busy and talented guy.
 
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<font color="blue">Since Nomad does not have his gearboxes yet, how can he know the shear load needed? What size shear bolt, it's hardness, the PTO, the torque needed for the given implement are all questions needs to answer. Looks like KK may have more engineering that Nomad realizes. What about the PTO will the PTO shafts have both CE and OSHA safety approval? To just import into the USA may not be as easy as placing an order and shipping. What about product liability? How much product liability does Nomad have? Nomad may be able to produce a cheaper product but where is the testing, engineering, liability, and parts support coming from? These are questions American importers and manufacturers all realize must be do before any product is released and sold in the USA market. Are these units Nomad is posting pictures of, prototypes or serial production? These are questions every responsible importer answers every day. </font>

How do you go about determining what strength shear bolts to use in your products?
 
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<font color="blue">I am wondering what kind of tractor he has... his profile is a blank page..... He speaks with authority, but is he an engineer ???? Why don't people fill in their profiles before they post??? </font>

Junkman, your profile is pretty sparse, too. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Retired, old cars, CT and a BX with a york rake isn't much for me to make a mental picture of you, either.... your bio is also blank. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What's the optimum Grade for shear bolt for a specific (unknown) attachment system (including tractor, etc etc)? )</font>
First, for most individuals on this site it would be whatever the manufacturer recommends. If an apparent error occurs as was the case in the thread that started this I would default to Gr2 b/c that's basically an unwritten standard. As an engineer I would try to use the most commonly available shear pin available. Now I don't know this for a fact, but I'm guessing that attachments which have higher HP ratings, and higher HP requirements, use clutch systems rather than shear bolts. For two reasons, 1) They are almost always higher priced and therefore easier to justify the expense and 2) It is much easier to set the ideal torque limit useing clutch packs.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( How to find that optimum grade bolt? )</font>
Like I stated above, I would try and design around the most commonly available shear pin. If you are designing the attachment, you should know what the drive system will take and you will be specifying a HP range for the tractor to be used with the attachment. Now it's just a matter of how much torque you are going to allow the tractor to transmit into the attachment.
 
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MossRoad, he Junkman opened a thread in Related Forums and I already answered him. Lets back to the topic; There are some people like RobS, Villengineer in this thread who have different engineering experiences in their backgrounds. Added farmers experiences, I am interested in how to find GradeX or is it really necessary to determine such a GradeX that I mentioned in my last posts above.

Ps: I just saw now the post of Villengineer and am going to read it after making a cup of coffe;-)
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Junkman, your profile is pretty sparse, too. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Retired, old cars, CT and a BX with a York rake isn't much for me to make a mental picture of you, either.... your bio is also blank. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif )</font>


As Boondox most appropriately put it........

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( Junkman -- I see you take the minimalist approach in your own profile! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, yours is a perfect example of protecting your privacy, while giving respondents enough information about your tractor etc so they can provide meaningful answers to your questions. Sometimes I start a reply, but check the profile to try to better tailor it to the poster's situation. But finding nothing there I don't even bother!

Pete )</font>

so you may verify that he said what I have posted.


Name - Paul M.

Occupation - l retired.... definition of occupation - the principal business of one's life.

Bio - Hey, I live in far North East Connecticut. Have a large yard with about an 2 acres of lawn that I mow. Have another 13 acres of forested land that I hope no one will ever build on , have a wife and 2 dogs.

If you would like my blood type??..... A Neg
My cholesterol level?? 179
My blood pressure?? - 120/70

Sorry if I don't own a bunch of accessories for my BX22, but I will post them as I obtain them. I don't know how much more information about my tractor I could put other that that which is already there...... You called it a BX, but it clearly shows it to be a Kubota BX-22.... I guess that I could add the year of manufacture..... 2003. You want me to list the old cars that I own??? 1964 Chevrolet Corvair Spyder Factory Built Show Car for the New York Worlds Fair, 1964 Chevrolet Corvair Greenbriar, custom built ambulance, 1962 Corvair Monza Convertible with factory installed air conditioning, and the list goes on... Do you have a mental picture now?????? Are you or some other moderator going to delete this post even though I have properly and civilly answered you????
 
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<font color="blue">My blood pressure?? - 120/70 </font>

Was that before or after this post? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I love the Corvairs myself.....perfer the '65 and up though /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
 

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