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   / Diabetes #881  
This discussion started almost a decade ago! :)

Interesting to read what I was doing back then and compare it with today. :)

With the lockdown and working from home, I ended up not eating breakfast first thing in the morning. Due to meetings and just working, breakfast ended up being between 12:00-14:00. This meant I was doing intermittent fasting but did not know it. Somehow, I read about intermittent fasting and realized I was already doing it for the most part. I just needed to pay attention to when I stopped eating at night and when I started eating the next day. So I did.

I lost a bit of weight and figured out I needed to increase my fasting period from 12 hours so I went to 14. My body adjusted so I went to 16-18 hour fasts. Because I did this slowly, and really did not plan to do intermittent fasting, it was easy to do. This worked and I got close to my target weight, but figured I could loose another 5-10 pounds. Maybe. Just have to try and see.

Then I started taking Creatine, and as expected, I gained weight. However, I did not loose the gained weight after a month or two of taking Creatine. :( I REALLY wish I had taken Creatine decades ago but I figured it was for building muscle, and it is, but where it is really helpful is recovery. I have run the chainsaw cutting up trees, and the next day felt just a twinge, verses in the past, I would really feel soreness for two days after working.

So I am not loosing weight but I am loosing fat. Go figure. The belt does not lie. I can see the fat loss too, and one could say it was my imagination but I had tighten up the belt.

Read up on autophagy, or watch the YouTube videos. Autophagy happens when one fast for long enough, the body starts to heal and rebuild itself. One might get a bit of autophagy with a 16 hour fast but it really needs more time so I started 24 hour fasts a couple of times of month. I think this might have sped up the fat loss. Since I increased fasting time slowly over the last few years, doing a 24 hour fast has been fairly easy. I normally stop eating by 20:00 which means I have a 16 hour fast in at 12:00 the next day. However, I often wont eat until between 12:00 and 14:00. If I stay busy, it is not hard to just not eat until 20:00 on the second day. I do drink coffee with no cream and sugar. That is allowed along with plain tea.

I have been very surprised that I have been able to do manual labor, like running the chainsaw, when fasting without a problem. Now, I was not running the chainsaw all day, only a few hours, but I was surprised I could do it at all when fasting.

I did figure out, and I think this was mentioned up thread, that one has to be careful with fasting longer than 12 hours since it can increase your blood glucose level. I think this is what has happened to me on my last couple of blood tests. I told them that I had been fasting for close to 16 hours when they drew the blood but I don't think THEY knew that was an issue.

My bloodwork needed to be tested nine months ago. <sigh> I tweeked my diet, again, and I wanted to see what the blood work says. Having said that, I have tweeked my diet several times this year and I wish I had blood work for each change but I don't. I had hopped to get the blood work done prior to Thanksgiving but work prevented that from happening, so hopefully I can get it done before Christmas. I really have minimized processed foods, try to eat more veggies, cut back on cheese, and eat even more nuts. We have never ate much meat, at least compared to the amount people used to eat last century.

I still do 10,000-15,000 steps a day. At one point, I was doing 20,000 and that took quite a bit of time. I did loose weight but to get 20,000 steps, I was eating later than I wanted too and figured eating earlier, even at the expense of walking less, was better for me. Then I started the intermittent fasting....

So, that is a long winded way of saying if one is limited in exercise for weight loss, intermittent fasting works, if one can do it. :)
 
   / Diabetes #882  
A neighbor lost 50 lbs doing a 48hr fast. Not sure were he got the idea and he is pretty sharp. I was helping him with some board fence and he did not pass out
 
   / Diabetes #883  
This discussion started almost a decade ago! :)

Interesting to read what I was doing back then and compare it with today. :)

With the lockdown and working from home, I ended up not eating breakfast first thing in the morning. Due to meetings and just working, breakfast ended up being between 12:00-14:00. This meant I was doing intermittent fasting but did not know it. Somehow, I read about intermittent fasting and realized I was already doing it for the most part. I just needed to pay attention to when I stopped eating at night and when I started eating the next day. So I did.

I lost a bit of weight and figured out I needed to increase my fasting period from 12 hours so I went to 14. My body adjusted so I went to 16-18 hour fasts. Because I did this slowly, and really did not plan to do intermittent fasting, it was easy to do. This worked and I got close to my target weight, but figured I could loose another 5-10 pounds. Maybe. Just have to try and see.

Then I started taking Creatine, and as expected, I gained weight. However, I did not loose the gained weight after a month or two of taking Creatine. :( I REALLY wish I had taken Creatine decades ago but I figured it was for building muscle, and it is, but where it is really helpful is recovery. I have run the chainsaw cutting up trees, and the next day felt just a twinge, verses in the past, I would really feel soreness for two days after working.

So I am not loosing weight but I am loosing fat. Go figure. The belt does not lie. I can see the fat loss too, and one could say it was my imagination but I had tighten up the belt.

Read up on autophagy, or watch the YouTube videos. Autophagy happens when one fast for long enough, the body starts to heal and rebuild itself. One might get a bit of autophagy with a 16 hour fast but it really needs more time so I started 24 hour fasts a couple of times of month. I think this might have sped up the fat loss. Since I increased fasting time slowly over the last few years, doing a 24 hour fast has been fairly easy. I normally stop eating by 20:00 which means I have a 16 hour fast in at 12:00 the next day. However, I often wont eat until between 12:00 and 14:00. If I stay busy, it is not hard to just not eat until 20:00 on the second day. I do drink coffee with no cream and sugar. That is allowed along with plain tea.

I have been very surprised that I have been able to do manual labor, like running the chainsaw, when fasting without a problem. Now, I was not running the chainsaw all day, only a few hours, but I was surprised I could do it at all when fasting.

I did figure out, and I think this was mentioned up thread, that one has to be careful with fasting longer than 12 hours since it can increase your blood glucose level. I think this is what has happened to me on my last couple of blood tests. I told them that I had been fasting for close to 16 hours when they drew the blood but I don't think THEY knew that was an issue.

My bloodwork needed to be tested nine months ago. <sigh> I tweeked my diet, again, and I wanted to see what the blood work says. Having said that, I have tweeked my diet several times this year and I wish I had blood work for each change but I don't. I had hopped to get the blood work done prior to Thanksgiving but work prevented that from happening, so hopefully I can get it done before Christmas. I really have minimized processed foods, try to eat more veggies, cut back on cheese, and eat even more nuts. We have never ate much meat, at least compared to the amount people used to eat last century.

I still do 10,000-15,000 steps a day. At one point, I was doing 20,000 and that took quite a bit of time. I did loose weight but to get 20,000 steps, I was eating later than I wanted too and figured eating earlier, even at the expense of walking less, was better for me. Then I started the intermittent fasting....

So, that is a long winded way of saying if one is limited in exercise for weight loss, intermittent fasting works, if one can do it. :)
What is your a1c? Are you a type 2 or 1?
 
   / Diabetes #884  
Thankfully, I am not diabetic, so I am not tested for the A1C number. Having said that, my glucose numbers are on the high side of the range.
 
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#885  
Thankfully, I am not diabetic, so I am not tested for the A1C number. Having said that, my glucose numbers are on the high side of the range.
I thought they usually order it if your glucose measurements are an issue
it's a good thing to know
mine is right at yellow zone
part of this discussion started long ago is my concern over what impact being near diabetic does to our health.
and hopes that modifying my own behavior will keep me out of the red at 6.5
 
   / Diabetes #887  
I'd REALLY question why a doctor would be testing FBG and not A1c. If there's concern of diabetes, HOMA IR and Insulin Resistance should be checked.
 
   / Diabetes #888  
For those considering IF (intermittent fasting), I've found that brushing my teeth right after my last meal is key. I found that brushing my teeth will keep me from eating more that day.
 
   / Diabetes #889  
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#890  
glucose 97 in yesterday's labs
I don't take any meds for sugar control.
giant box of home made cookies in auto repair shop's waiting room this morning.
so I celebrated and had a big gingerbread man.
sadly it was overbaked and underflavored.
not a quality calorie
AIC still stuck at 6.1

all those cookies, all that butter and fat and sugar.
I have put the word out please no cookies for Christmas
but they show up anyway.
most I try to regift and find a home with kids.
 
   / Diabetes #891  
👍👍 for quality calories!

I keep trying to have too much ginger in gingerbread. I'm still working on it.🤣 I think having a bit of both fresh and candied helps the flavor.

Much as I love baking a wide variety of Christmas cookies, now I bake for other folks and their kids, and try to get the cookies out of the house ASAP.

All the best, Peter
 
   / Diabetes #892  
I just took eight cases of black berry and black raspberry jelly, both sugar "blast" and reduced sugar to our church to share. Now I am working on low glycemic jellies. I don't like the Monkfruit, comes out to waxy. Allulose has 0% added sugar but comes out a bit runny. It's not quite okay for a diabetic if I add just a bit of Organic sugar (16% sugar) or Aguave syrup (32% sugar) but OK for those watching their sugar like me.
 
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#893  
I went back to plain white sugar after finding out my favorite stevia product was
hyped with erythrytol. It seems that artificial sweeteners are usually not all that healthy.
would love to know what to use, besides honey. I also have some date sugar I use for cooking.
I've seen agave syrup on shelf.
some of that stuff is mighty expensive vs plain old white sugar
if they have the turbinado sugar in restaurants, I'll use that, just have to stir longer in my coffee.

have my own personal rule that one teaspoon of sugar ok in first cup of coffee, but that's it.
then it only gets a little milk
 
   / Diabetes #894  
I would rather use sugar than any artificial sweetener. They all give varying degrees of head aches. Just use less sugar as most stuff is over sweet anyways. You can easily drop 25% of the sugar in a cookie recipe and no one notices.
 
   / Diabetes #895  
Do a search on Monkfruit and Allulose. I never have used any artificial sweetener so I cannot compare but they claim to have no aftertaste nor can I detect any. Monkfruit is easier to find on the store shelf than Allulose in my area. Allulose is 0% fat, 0% cholesterol, 0% sodium, 0% sugar, 1% to 3% carbs on the brands that I have used. Aquave is 32% sugar, organic cane sugar is 16% sugar and is about the least expensive.

Sugar free coffee? That's the way I go. I started not using sugar or cream while in the Army because out in the field, that was pretty much it.
 
   / Diabetes #896  
Ummm...That 16% number is 16% of the recommended daily allowance of sugar for a healthy individual. Cane sugar is 100% sugar. Allulose is not fully metabolized, and doesn't usually affect individual blood sugar levels.

Personally, I think that monk fruit has a pronounced taste, but I know many folks who don't notice or care.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Diabetes #897  
I have found several of the artificial sweeteners give me gas. So far monk fruit and allulose appear to be the natural winners. I buy the allulose through Amazon. It definitely is the best sweetener for ice cream! My wife agrees with me that allulose ice cream is even creamier than with granular sugar.
 
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#898  
I ordered some allulose to try it, thanks
Allulose is a sugar found naturally in raisins, figs, maple syrup, molasses and wheat. Allulose is commercially produced by heating the sugar molecule fructose and changing its chemical form. The resulting sweetener is available granulated like sugar or in liquid form.
 
   / Diabetes #899  
The Walmart's that are close by do not stock Allulose but Kroger does but it's pricey at 5.49 for 12oz, Simple Truth brand. That's fine for spoonful for your coffee but not for cooking or baking purposes. I need to look at the on-line prices I guess.
 
   / Diabetes #900  
I want to say thank you to all of you that have posted to this thread. My doctor told me I had diabetes a couple of years ago and wanted to put me on metformin. After reading the scare sheet on that, I decided there was no way that was going to happen. That’s about the time I ran across this thread and I read every last page. Lots of good info here.

So 2-1/2 years ago, A1C was 7.7and I weighed 210-215. Eric, I believe it was you who posted a lot of info about a low carb, high fat diet. I decided to give it a shot. I started walking a couple miles 3-4 times per week. Results a year later were A1C down to 6.0 and weight down to 170-175. As of yesterday, down to 5.8 A1C and 174 lbs.

God is good!

Edit: one thing I failed to mention is that I’m a cardio patient. As of spring of 2025, I was able to get off of my blood pressure meds, which I was told would never happen due to having had a double bypass 13 years ago. I’m still on a statin drug (simvastatin), which I am convinced is the cause of my diabetes. My doctor told me yesterday that there is evidence of that very thing. There are different types of statin drugs apparently, and we will be discussing changes when I see him again in 6 months.
 
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