Diesel prices

   / Diesel prices #31  
Now, Thom, there you go, introducing facts into a discussion about fuel prices. It's much easier to just blame it on a vast conspiracy of evil corporations and be done with it. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Diesel prices #32  
Was in town today and diesel was 82.9 cents per liter (that's about $3.32 a gal.) 87 octane unleaded is down to 90.9 cents per liter (about $3.63.6 a gal.) I think this could be long winter for a lot of folks.

Slim
 
   / Diesel prices #33  
My dad works for a local Oil delivery company and just help me set up a 300 gal tank for the farm but I could only afford 100 gallons and that still cost me 171.00 dollars bvut that is cheaper than buying it at the pump. And that was with his employee discount.
 
   / Diesel prices #34  
What is even MORE AMAZING is the fact that the 3-year futures contracts on crude are only $22 a barrel /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

This means the mega smart BIG MONEY is betting the oil cartels hand of cards is empty.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Diesel prices #35  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( This means the mega smart BIG MONEY is betting the oil cartels hand of cards is empty.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

It seems pretty obvious (to us in the U.S. oil business anyway) that all their arguments to the contrary notwithstanding, OPEC is already producing at or near capacity. Saudia Arabia and Iraq are the only two OPEC countries with any real excess capacity, and that is not enough to impact the market for more than a short time. The current price of crude oil is being driven by demand vs. supply, and this will continue IMO. OPEC's day as a cartel is finished. Not to say that there still won't be a lot of strife over who owns or controls their remaining reserves from now on, but they can no longer control the world price of crude.

Pete
 
   / Diesel prices #36  
Canada supplies more oil to the US than any other country and Russia has more oil than the Saudis and Iraq put together.

When the mega-money institutional hedge funds are holding 3 year oil futures contracts at $22 a barrel, you know that the current state of affairs will change abruptly.
 
   / Diesel prices #37  
I was wondering when someone was going to mention Russia. I recall being absolutely amazed in college uh...twenty something...years ago when I'd studied Russia's natural resources. I'm still wondering how long it till take for Russia to start their economy rolling by utilizing their own natural resources. It was scary during the "cold war" because as one of my professors (obviously not an English prof) said, "with their land mass and natural resources, they don't need nobody".

Oh yeah, I bit the bullet last week and went ahead and filled my tank at $1.71 #2 off road. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Good or bad?
 
   / Diesel prices #38  
Main problem holding Russia back is politics, crime, Islam, and rip-offs.

Once they are able to get a solid political infastructure in place they will be able to invest, rebuild, and transport their vast natural resources.

It will pay hansomely to have a good relationship with Russia, as will the other former Eastern Bloc nations as well since Russia's access to ports and shipping is severely limited.
 
   / Diesel prices #39  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Canada supplies more oil to the US than any other country)</font>

Canada is the largest single supplier to the U.S. at about 17% of our needs, but we still rely on OPEC countries for more than 44% of all our crude oil. For the most current statistics, see here .

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( and Russia has more oil than the Saudis and Iraq put together.)</font>

This is absolutely not true. At the end of 2003, the Russian Federation had 65 thousand million barrels of proved reserves, while Saudia Arabia had more 265 thousand million barrels. Even if you include all of Europe and Asia put together (including the North Sea), they had only 105.9 thousand million barrels of proved reserves, not even close to half of the Saudi reserves. You can see these statistics at a number of places yourself, such as here and here .

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( When the mega-money institutional hedge funds are holding 3 year oil futures contracts at $22 a barrel, you know that the current state of affairs will change abruptly. )</font>

I don't know about the mega-money institutional hedge funds, but oil companies (including the mega-majors) use the futures market to hedge risk. The nearer months mean a lot more than farther out; the low price that far out is more indicative of the uncertainty of the prediction than a definitive statement IMO. The price for oil on a given delivery date will change a lot over time as the date gets closer. The whole purpose of the (crude oil) futures trading market is to manage the risk of abrupt price changes, and in doing so many price changes are in fact smoothed out and made less abrupt.

Pete (not a futures trader; I just find the stuff.)
 
   / Diesel prices #40  
You are correct, indeed things do change with time.

Especially since Russia's proven reserves five years ago were less than 1/100 that amount as well as the fact that five years ago China did not import any oil from Oman either. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

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