Oil & Fuel Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car

   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #41  
Iplayfarmer said:
I read the article. Great explanation!

Here's my question about Horsepower...

How come my old '69 John Deere 140 at 14 HP seems to out work the neighboor's shiny new 20 HP Craftsman? There's got to be a difference in measuring Horsepower there.


There are a few answers to that question. The first is that hp is and has been rated many different ways. For example back in the 70's and 80's a Johnson 15 hp outboard motor was EXACTLY the same engine as the 9.9 hp. The only difference was a $6 jet in the carb. One jet allowed that particular engine to turn 5500 RPM and produce 9.9 hp while the other allowed 7500 RPM to produce 15 hp. Keep in mind that you basically have an engine that is assigned a number or hp. Run that same engine at different RPM's and you will have to assign it a different number. As stated earlier "HP sells cars....". Manufacturers run their engines way up to get lots of HP so they can assign the engine a large number and give the illusion of power. Problem is, many time the claimed HP is produced at an RPM that is run on a test bench and will never be seen again by that engine. In short the engine will never run in a manner to produce the claimed hp. Your JD was most definitely rated differently than the craftsman.

As for your JD versus the Craftsman. Your JD has an old K series Kohler which is all cast iron. That engine weighs a ton. I have 3 old Cub Cadets 12,14,16 hp with the same series engines. The cast iron flywheel, heavy parts, etc. mean that you have LOTS of heavy rotating mass= TORQUE!!!! Your neighbors crapsman has an all aluminum engine with a high (possibly unrealistic- see above) hp rating. Your JD will outwork, outpull, etc that crapsman all day long. The other bonus is that 40 years from now your JD will still be running and the crapsman will have been made into beer cans.

Sorry for such a long post.
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #42  
Iplayfarmer said:
How come my old '69 John Deere 140 at 14 HP seems to out work the neighboor's shiny new 20 HP Craftsman? There's got to be a difference in measuring Horsepower there.

It's bogus is what it is. Saw my first Snapper mower sometime in the mid 70's. 3.5hp Briggs, self prepelled, 21" cut. Bought my own Snapper in 1987, 4hp Briggs, mower exact same. I replaced that mower with another snapper in 2003, 6.75hp briggs. Same exact mower. My neighbor just bought a new snapper, 7hp briggs. Same exact mower. Doesn't cut any better, hp sells I guess. Actually I'd rather have that 1987 Briggs. it started and ran better than the piece of junk I have now.

Rob
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #43  
I say we hook em together and find out:D I'm betting the tractor wins!!
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #44  
jsboening said:
I say we hook em together and find out:D I'm betting the tractor wins!!

I say we race them and find out :D I'm betting the ATV wins!!
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #45  
Iplayfarmer said:
I say we race them and find out :D I'm betting the ATV wins!!


I agree, let's add a 2x16 bottom plow to each and go for a 35 mile run!

Still got your money on the atv?

jb
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #46  
john_bud said:
I agree, let's add a 2x16 bottom plow to each and go for a 35 mile run!

Still got your money on the atv?

jb

OK yall let's not get to silly with this ok!! :D
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #47  
Iplayfarmer said:
I read the article. Great explanation!

Here's my question about Horsepower...

How come my old '69 John Deere 140 at 14 HP seems to out work the neighboor's shiny new 20 HP Craftsman? There's got to be a difference in measuring Horsepower there.

Weight.. Plus.. many whizz-bang gass engine manufacturers figure thair engine hp using non standard carb settings, different fuel, different rpm than the user will have access to, no accessory drives.. etc..and only need it to get to that rating for a lil' bit before the engine grenades.. then they can 'label' that engine as that hp.

soundguy
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #48  
Soundguy said:
Weight.. Plus.. many whizz-bang gass engine manufacturers figure thair engine hp using non standard carb settings, different fuel, different rpm than the user will have access to, no accessory drives.. etc..and only need it to get to that rating for a lil' bit before the engine grenades.. then they can 'label' that engine as that hp.

soundguy

I guess it comes down to Horsepower:
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Vs. horsepower:
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   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #49  
Iplayfarmer said:
I guess it comes down to Horsepower:
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Vs. horsepower:
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Yeah, but which one is "low emissions"?

jb
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #50  
The top one will sure eat less!

My mini horses have always been easier on the grass and fee dthan our other equines.

soundguy
 

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