Oil & Fuel Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car

   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #51  
There are standards to test by. In the automotive world it is the SAE standard

SAE Home > > Program Details

About SAE J1349 Certified Power


Power and torque certification provide a means for a manufacturer to assure a customer that the engine they purchase delivers the advertised performance. This SAE Standard has been written to provide manufacturers with a method of certifying the power of engines to SAE J1349 or SAE J1995. Document SAE J2723 specifies the procedure to be used for a manufacturer to certify the net power and torque rating of a production engine according to SAE J1349 or the gross engine power of a production engine according to SAE J1995. Manufacturers who advertise their engine power and torque ratings as Certified to SAE J1349 or SAE J1995 shall follow this procedure. Certification of engine power and torque to SAE J1349 or SAE J1995 is voluntary, however, this power certification process is mandatory for those advertising power ratings as "Certified to SAE J1349".

SAE Engine Rating Standard Prevents Numbers Fudging (an article on how GM will use SAE J1349 Certified Power, AEI May 2005, Vol 113 No.5, p 59 )

General Motors has become the first manufacturer to certify an engine's power and torque ratings using a newly adopted SAE standard (J2723), James Queen, GM Vice President, Global Engineering, announced during his keynote address at the SAE World Congress and Exhibition in April 2005. The world's largest automaker plans to certify all of its engines to the voluntary standard, and is encouraging its competitors to do the same. The LS7 engine for the 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 was certified under the new standard this month. The 7.0-L V8 unit produces 505 hp (377 kW) at 6300 rpm and 470 lboft (637 Nom) at 4800 rpm. "The new voluntary SAE power and torque certification procedure ensures fair, accurate ratings for horsepower and torque as it uses third-party certification," said Queen. "SAE technical standards level the playing field, and this certification procedure is just the latest example of the value SAE has offered over the past century." To tout power and torque ratings as "SAE-certified," engine manufacturers must have an SAE qualified witness watch over the entire testing procedure to ensure that it is conducted in conformity to SAE standard J1349. Third-party witnessing is the main provision of J2723. An existing SAE standard, J1349, spells out how the actual testing is to be done. J1349 was updated last year to eliminate some ambiguities that allowed engine makers to cite power and torque ratings higher than the engine's actual capabilities. Engine makers are free to cite power and torque figures drived from testing conducted outside the scope of the SAE standards, but they may not claim the figures are SAE-certifed. "We feel that both the consumer and industry are well served by having accurate, consistent ratings from all manufacturers," said David Lancaster, a Technical Fellow in GM Powertrain and Chairman of the SAE Engine Power Test Code Committee that updated J1349 and wrote J2723. Data from a wide array of parameters (e.g., air:fuel ratio) will be collected during testing conducted to the SAE standards. SAE will create a database and offer it to industry in different packages and at different price points. ````````````````````````````````````
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car
  • Thread Starter
#52  
So would a 4wd kubota b7200 (17 hp and 1200 lbs +) be able to move a disc harrow as big/heavy as my 700 cc atv was able to pull? I saw one for sale and might be interested? Thanks.
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #53  
VTSasquatch said:
So would a 4wd kubota b7200 (17 hp and 1200 lbs +) be able to move a disc harrow as big/heavy as my 700 cc atv was able to pull? I saw one for sale and might be interested? Thanks.

I would image so, probably better. Especially it has a loader and/or weights up front to give the front tires some more bite. You can always have the tires filled to add weight as well. My local folks use a beet juice type stuff. I am not familiar with the b7200 but one thing to look for is the size of the 3pt hitch. Sometimes tractors that small only have a category 0 hitch. This limits the size and sturdyness of the implements. On the other hand, tiny tractors like that can manouver in tight places. But, if given a choice, I would opt for one with a cat 1 hitch.
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #54  
I've 2 or 3 historic tractor books. If you look at the specs on most of those machines, they generally ran about 13-20 hp for machines used by the majority of users. In about the 1960s or so, big farms came into being and demanded large hp tractors. Then, the ratings went up well in excess of 20 hp. You can get a lot done with a small amount of power and lower gearing.

In my mind, most CUTs and lawn tractors are way over powered. Most could do 90% or more of the chores the owners need doing with only 16-18 hp. Whereas, the average small CUT and lawn tractor generally run around 23 hp. Heck, with that kind of power, one can cut grass that's about 6 feet tall at full speed. Why? If tall, raise the deck or go slower or both or just let it be. Don't usually need to cut acres and acres of grass. Grow tall grass meadows.

Ralph
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #55  
Yup, I'm sure the bottom picture is a one horse power machine. Chances are it will even mow the lawn on a regular basis.:D :D :D
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #56  
I've been known to let my hay-burners into the front yard to help out with the mowing and edging long the driveway!

soundguy
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #57  
Soundguy said:
I've been known to let my hay-burners into the front yard to help out with the mowing and edging long the driveway!

soundguy

You beat me to the punch, Soundguy. I was just going to say that My Dad's team of Belgians mows grass on a daily basis through the summer.

They make great work of the "Tall Grass Meadows" mentioned earlier too.
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #58  
Unfortunately mine aren't too discriminating. They might just like the flower bed better than the lawn. They tend to leave tread marks too :)
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #59  
slaveToHorses said:
Unfortunately mine aren't too discriminating. They might just like the flower bed better than the lawn. They tend to leave tread marks too :)

Unfortunately mine are way too discriminating. They will eat the grass down to the roots before they'll eat the alfalfa. That's one of the reasons I have a tractor. I have to follow up the horses with a brush hog to give the grass a fighting chance against all the weeds.

Funny thing is if you feed them mixed hay they'll eat all the leafy stuff and leave the grass.
 
   / Diesel Tractor HP vs. ATV or Car #60  
Iplayfarmer said:
Unfortunately mine are way too discriminating. They will eat the grass down to the roots before they'll eat the alfalfa. That's one of the reasons I have a tractor. I have to follow up the horses with a brush hog to give the grass a fighting chance against all the weeds.

Funny thing is if you feed them mixed hay they'll eat all the leafy stuff and leave the grass.

Yup, if I feed mine a mixed hay/alfalfa bale, they will eat the alfalfa first. Then the hay, then the fence, then the barn...
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2010 Ford Edge SE SUV (A51694)
2010 Ford Edge SE...
2010 CATERPILLAR 140M MOTOR GRADER (A51246)
2010 CATERPILLAR...
2022 BOBCAT T64 R-SERIES SKID STEER (A51246)
2022 BOBCAT T64...
2018 FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA TANDEM AXLE DAY CAB (A53426)
2018 FREIGHTLINER...
2007 POWERSCREEN CHIEFTAIN 2100X INCLINED SCREEN (A53426)
2007 POWERSCREEN...
2011 Hyundai Sonata (A51694)
2011 Hyundai...
 
Top