Difference in welding wire ?

[Smokeydog]

Welded a piranha toothbar onto well worn bucket cutting edge. Used Miller 211 mig, set at max auto set amp, 0.035” solid wire. Original cutting edge 5/8”, new 1/2”. Beveled from wear so fit up not ideal. Took me a little time to try to improve technique. 60” weld. Ran out of wire 6” from end. Usually get wire from my lws, this time I ordered it from weldcity. Without changing anything else the new wire welded so much better. Wetted the legs better and final appearance better. Never have notice much difference in wire before. Had to stop and rest let the duty cycle of welder and myself catch up a few times. Had some end welds and back of blade welds to do after and seemed less weld splatter. Both ER70S-6 wire. LWS wire was Kisswell, no brand on weld city wire. Two 11# spools delivered was $34.95. After hours of use/abuse from trees and rocks welds are good. Big improvement in bucket performance.

 

[zzvyb6]

My 211 on .035 wire does a really nice job on long stretches, so I'm surprised that you found a difference. I always use the 240V adapter and made up a 50' extension cord to avoid the need to run it on 120V. I did get some beads once that looked similar when I forgot to turn on the gas. I'm still on the full sized spool that I bought from TSC 10 years ago. Transferred over from my 120V Lincoln 100 (with gas kit).

 

[JNA]

sometimes the wire will get a little rusty

 

[Smokeydog]

I have used over a dozen 11# spools of 0.035 wire. Always on 240v. Same gas flow. One bottle of gas last 2-2.5 rolls. Run kleen wiper pads and change them every two rolls. Reused the wipers this time.
There can be other variables beside wire, like taking a break, oxidation or skills. I like to weld and fabricate but I don’t consider myself a welder. Know a few welders and I’m not in their league.

 

[JNA]

Can you show me how you have your wipes set up?

 

[Smokeydog]

Some welders swear by them, some swear at them. I think lot depends on shop environment and equipment use. Cheap and make me feel better. After two 11# spools they are very dirty.

 

[WranglerX]

Yes there is difference in welding wire per manufacture... Have tried several brands and settled on Praxair Prostar ER70-S6 for my needs, advantage is its available where I buy my gas.... Others will have different preferred choice varying on their situations...

For wire cleaner I folded over a piece of Scotchbright pad over wire and hold it in place with binder clip...

(image ripped off GOOGLE images)...

Dale

 

[JNA]

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Some welders swear by them, some swear at them. I think lot depends on shop environment and equipment use. Cheap and make me feel better. After two 11# spools they are very dirty.

now I know. I use pad w/clip. I have bad shop enviroment

 

[yomax4]

The AWS Classification for ER70S-6 wire is pretty broad and outdated to boot. Most every brand will run different from the last. Some S6 wire will not perform on Pulse and some will only perform on puse so it's all over the map. If I remember correctly ( as an example ) AWS Inches per minute IMP for 035 is from about 160 - 360. Depending in thicknedd, Gun angle and skill level. Pretty broad. Auto Set usually needs a little tweeking as well. At least you found your brand to burn !!

 

[yomax4]

The AWS Classification for ER70S-6 wire is pretty broad and outdated to boot. Most every brand will run different from the last. Some S6 wire will not perform on Pulse and some will only perform on puse so it's all over the map. If I remember correctly ( as an example ) AWS Inches per minute IMP for 035 is from about 160 - 360. Depending in thickness, gun angle and skill level. Pretty broad. Auto Set usually needs a little tweeking as well. At least you found your brand to burn !! Lube matic does what it's supposed to do although you will likely go through a liner or 2 more than you would without. The ones with the lube are controversial but like stated. Some love them !!

 

[WranglerX]

The AWS Classification for ER70S-6 wire is pretty broad and outdated to boot. Most every brand will run different from the last. Some S6 wire will not perform on Pulse and some will only perform on puse so it's all over the map. If I remember correctly ( as an example ) AWS Inches per minute IMP for 035 is from about 160 - 360. Depending in thickness, gun angle and skill level. Pretty broad. Auto Set usually needs a little tweeking as well. At least you found your brand to burn !! Lube matic does what it's supposed to do although you will likely go through a liner or 2 more than you would without. The ones with the lube are controversial but like stated. Some love them !!

Outdated?.... Please explain or provide updated formation...

Dale

 

[yomax4]

Outdated?.... Please explain or provide updated formation...

Dale

AWS Specs are just old that's all. There are some things like Low Fuming Bronze. I remember selling it in yesteryear and it would work as it should but like a lot of LFB it left black inclusions in the finnished product. We were putting it on with speed fluxers and it just wasn't what they were looking for. I discussed with our bronze guru at the time and he made me up 20# to try. It was like gold, Flowout was beautiful with no black anything. Sadly it was just outside of the AWS spec so they wouldn't use it. Just an example. If you look it up a lot of the specs were written in the Bronze age. Technology has moved faster than the specs. Not all specs can be improved but technology is still doing it's thing. 2 More examples. There is now a 7018 stick electrode that runs great that is still in spec but emits about half the Manganese in the weld smoke. Manganese causes a problen similar to Parkinsons. Then there is Stainless that is still in spec but has half of the Hexavalent Chome as before. So I'm wrong saying all AWS specs are off but many are old and could be improved and technology will take care of the rest.

 

[yomax4]

Then theres the other side of the coin. Awesome products that the AWS doesn't recognize. Weldcote Super 120 and Harris Supper Missile Weld. Both great products. 312 Stainless base with foo foo dust flux. 120K tensile and you can weld leaf springs with them as well as cast to steel and tig rod too. Or ESAB Easy Grind mig wire. Runs so smooth and you can almost hand sand it. Sadly it has a little too much silicon in it for AWS spec. Body shops loved it. Or Harris 20ga. Had a shotgun on the box. Metal cored wire designed to run on short arc. It would weld through paint, rust and axel grease with no spatter. Being it was formulated as a C6 wire but had additives it didn't fit the spec. They went nuts over it at the GM body shop school until they found out it was out of spec and kicked it out. Or Weldcote 88/83 or Harris 83/88. Runs like 6013 with deep dig and 80K tensile. At shows I used to start the arc and walk away while it consumed itself with no one holding the stinger. The watchers were amazed. There are hundreds of specialty products without AWS specs. Look at Eutectic or Nassau Rockmount. Anyway I use a lot of this stuff and i'm sure many on here have too.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

If any one wants to weld with the best welding wire, with extremely low amounts of spatter and virtually no clean up with a stable arc and beautiful bead, the ESAB Aristorod 12.5 OK is the best I have ever used. I keep it in my machines if the lws isn't out of it when I need it. I pay more, but the labor I save in clean up is well worth it.

You can thank me later.

 

[dragoneggs]

If any one wants to weld with the best welding wire, with extremely low amounts of spatter and virtually no clean up with a stable arc and beautiful bead, the ESAB Aristorod 12.5 OK is the best I have ever used. I keep it in my machines if the lws isn't out of it when I need it. I pay more, but the labor I save in clean up is well worth it.

You can thank me later.

It takes me quite awhile to go through a large roll. Does the coating also help with corrosion if it is sitting around a long time? For me the additional price isn't such a factor as maybe for someone using for business and at volumes.

 

[WranglerX]

I tend to stay with 2 pound rolls so if it gets contaminated is not a "large" loss.... But my weld jobs are small and there is a lot of time machines site idle in between...

Dale

 

[Sberry]

I priced some, got the generic house wire the LWS has, some China stuff and was as good as L56. ran as good as any I ever had. Of course they changed, next time it was WA or Radnor or something, didnt touch an adjustment, ran like crap

 

[WranglerX]

I priced some, got the generic house wire the LWS has, some China stuff and was as good as L56. ran as good as any I ever had. Of course they changed, next time it was WA or Radnor or something, didnt touch an adjustment, ran like crap

Same Sberry as from Hobart Weld Talk site?

Dale